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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post

    Here is the inscription with the spelling corrected and annotated in bold:

    Eadhon dean agus na caomhain idir

    Cuimhne am bas

    Air a cuir suas le Domhnaull MacGrigair saor ann a maidhcheadh a mar chuimhneachan air Anna NichCaura a bhean a dheug air a cheud latha do June anns a’bhlidhna 1793 tri bliadhna deug agus da fhichead a’ dhaois agus Catrina NichGregair air a nighean a dheug air an aon latha a deug do Novr anns a’bhliadhna 1783 ceithir bliadhna a’dhois

    So, what do you, what do you find of particular interest and why?
    "Even do, and spare not" motto of MacGregor. From The Adventures of Rob Roy.

    Excerpt with phrase highlighted:
    It chanced that on a day in summer, King
    David I., of Scotland, was hunting with Malcolm
    MacGregor, the eighth chief of Clan Alpine, on the
    side of Cruachin, when a wild boar, of marvellous
    strength, size, and ferocity, appeared in a rugged
    defile. It at once assailed the monarch, whose
    hunting-spear broke and left him at its mercy ; but
    instead of rushing forward, the boar retired to whet
    its tusks against the rocks, so Malcolm craved the
    king's permission to attack it.


    "E'en do," said the king; but spaire nocht !"
    "Eadhon dean agus na caomhain!" shouted
    MacGregor, translating the king's lowland Scottish
    into Gaelic, as he tore up a young tree by the roots,
    and kept the boar at bay until he could close with
    it and bury his long dagger in its throat. At the
    third stab he slew it.


    Also on another gravestone http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Angus/p/562.jpg
    Last edited by California Highlander; 28th July 14 at 06:38 AM. Reason: added except

    Clan Mackintosh North America / Clan Chattan Association
    Cormack, McIntosh, Gow, Finlayson, Farquar, Waters, Swanson, Ross, Oag, Gilbert, Munro, Turnbough,
    McElroy, McCoy, Mackay, Henderson, Ivester, Castles, Copeland, MacQueen, McCumber, Matheson, Burns,
    Wilson, Campbell, Bartlett, Munro - a few of the ancestral names, mainly from the North-east of Scotland




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    I have sent this over to a friend of mine who's wife is taking her master's in Scot Gaelic. I hope to have you an answer soon. ....
    LOCH SLOY!
    Cheers, Wil

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    Please ignore!
    Last edited by Calgacus; 28th July 14 at 06:44 AM. Reason: I'm behind the game

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    Well found California Highlander. Interesting to note that Grant was writing some 25 years after this stone was inscribed and so the term must have been in common MacGregor use before his publication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgacus View Post
    Please ignore!

    See #10. I think it is more likely to be a 'chiselo' for Idir.

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    'Remember the hand', for 'Cuimhne am bas'??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calgacus View Post
    'Remember the hand', for 'Cuimhne am bas'??
    The mason should have written 'bàs'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    The mason should have written 'bàs'.
    Ah. Cheery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    For those that might be reading and don't understand the 'Irish' reference. Pre-19th century Scots Gaelic was often referred to by outsiders as Erse from Lowland Scots 'Erisch' meaning Irish but Irish Gaelic, especially now, differs significantly from Scots Gaelic. Auto Irish translation therefore won't work this out fully
    As a point of clarification, I was looking in modern Scots Gaelic dictionaries and tried the Irish as a last ditch attempt.
    The reference to ancient Irish was because long after the Scottish and Irish dialects diverged, the orthography was still common. It's my understanding that written books like the Red Book of Clanranald were in Ancient Irish even though the people spoke Scots Gaelic. For that reason, I could see an old proverb retaining the old orthography.
    Natan Easbaig Mac Dhòmhnaill, FSA Scot
    Past High Commissioner, Clan Donald Canada
    “Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland, And we, in dreams, behold the Hebrides.” - The Canadian Boat Song.

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    Here's the original inscription tidied up in more modern spelling:

    Eadhon dean agus na caomhain idir

    Cuimhne am Bas

    Air a cuir suas le Domhaull MacGrigair saor ann a Maigh Eadh a mar chuimhneachan air Anna NicCaura a bhean a'dh'eug air a'cheud latha do June anns a’bhlidhna 1793 tri bliadhna deug agus da fhichead a’dh'aois agus Catrina NicGregair air a nighean a'dh'eug air an aon latha a deug do Novr anns a’bhliadhna 1783 ceithir bliadhna a’dh'aois.

    Any takers?

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