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28th July 14, 06:30 AM
#11
 Originally Posted by figheadair
Here is the inscription with the spelling corrected and annotated in bold:
Eadhon dean agus na caomhain idir
Cuimhne am bas
Air a cuir suas le Domhnaull MacGrigair saor ann a maidhcheadh a mar chuimhneachan air Anna NichCaura a bhean a dheug air a cheud latha do June anns a’bhlidhna 1793 tri bliadhna deug agus da fhichead a’ dhaois agus Catrina NichGregair air a nighean a dheug air an aon latha a deug do Novr anns a’bhliadhna 1783 ceithir bliadhna a’dhois
So, what do you, what do you find of particular interest and why?
"Even do, and spare not" motto of MacGregor. From The Adventures of Rob Roy.
Excerpt with phrase highlighted:
It chanced that on a day in summer, King
David I., of Scotland, was hunting with Malcolm
MacGregor, the eighth chief of Clan Alpine, on the
side of Cruachin, when a wild boar, of marvellous
strength, size, and ferocity, appeared in a rugged
defile. It at once assailed the monarch, whose
hunting-spear broke and left him at its mercy ; but
instead of rushing forward, the boar retired to whet
its tusks against the rocks, so Malcolm craved the
king's permission to attack it.
"E'en do," said the king; but spaire nocht !"
"Eadhon dean agus na caomhain!" shouted
MacGregor, translating the king's lowland Scottish
into Gaelic, as he tore up a young tree by the roots,
and kept the boar at bay until he could close with
it and bury his long dagger in its throat. At the
third stab he slew it.
Also on another gravestone http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Angus/p/562.jpg
Last edited by California Highlander; 28th July 14 at 06:38 AM.
Reason: added except
Clan Mackintosh North America / Clan Chattan Association
Cormack, McIntosh, Gow, Finlayson, Farquar, Waters, Swanson, Ross, Oag, Gilbert, Munro, Turnbough,
McElroy, McCoy, Mackay, Henderson, Ivester, Castles, Copeland, MacQueen, McCumber, Matheson, Burns,
Wilson, Campbell, Bartlett, Munro - a few of the ancestral names, mainly from the North-east of Scotland
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28th July 14, 06:33 AM
#12
I have sent this over to a friend of mine who's wife is taking her master's in Scot Gaelic. I hope to have you an answer soon. ....
LOCH SLOY!
Cheers, Wil
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28th July 14, 06:42 AM
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Last edited by Calgacus; 28th July 14 at 06:44 AM.
Reason: I'm behind the game
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28th July 14, 06:43 AM
#14
Well found California Highlander. Interesting to note that Grant was writing some 25 years after this stone was inscribed and so the term must have been in common MacGregor use before his publication.
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28th July 14, 06:49 AM
#15
 Originally Posted by Calgacus
Please ignore!
See #10. I think it is more likely to be a 'chiselo' for Idir.
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28th July 14, 06:54 AM
#16
'Remember the hand', for 'Cuimhne am bas'??
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28th July 14, 07:39 AM
#17
 Originally Posted by Calgacus
'Remember the hand', for 'Cuimhne am bas'??
The mason should have written 'bàs'.
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28th July 14, 07:41 AM
#18
 Originally Posted by figheadair
The mason should have written 'bàs'.
Ah. Cheery!
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28th July 14, 08:47 AM
#19
 Originally Posted by figheadair
For those that might be reading and don't understand the 'Irish' reference. Pre-19th century Scots Gaelic was often referred to by outsiders as Erse from Lowland Scots 'Erisch' meaning Irish but Irish Gaelic, especially now, differs significantly from Scots Gaelic. Auto Irish translation therefore won't work this out fully 
As a point of clarification, I was looking in modern Scots Gaelic dictionaries and tried the Irish as a last ditch attempt.
The reference to ancient Irish was because long after the Scottish and Irish dialects diverged, the orthography was still common. It's my understanding that written books like the Red Book of Clanranald were in Ancient Irish even though the people spoke Scots Gaelic. For that reason, I could see an old proverb retaining the old orthography.
Natan Easbaig Mac Dhòmhnaill, FSA Scot
Past High Commissioner, Clan Donald Canada
“Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland, And we, in dreams, behold the Hebrides.” - The Canadian Boat Song.
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28th July 14, 10:38 AM
#20
Here's the original inscription tidied up in more modern spelling:
Eadhon dean agus na caomhain idir
Cuimhne am Bas
Air a cuir suas le Domhaull MacGrigair saor ann a Maigh Eadh a mar chuimhneachan air Anna NicCaura a bhean a'dh'eug air a'cheud latha do June anns a’bhlidhna 1793 tri bliadhna deug agus da fhichead a’dh'aois agus Catrina NicGregair air a nighean a'dh'eug air an aon latha a deug do Novr anns a’bhliadhna 1783 ceithir bliadhna a’dh'aois.
Any takers?
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