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29th December 11, 11:27 AM
#191
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by sailortats
I was at a dinner last night. I was wearing my green Prince Charlie set with a proper shirt and rouche tie when a rather pompous man, who was not wearing a kilt by the way, came up to me and asked what the tartan of my kilt was. I told him I was wearing the Stewart Hunting (ancient) tartan as can be seen in my avatar. I think it goes beautifully with my green PC.
He promptly told me that I was improperly dressed. That one only wears a dress tartan with a Prince Charlie. I always though any kilt could be dressed up or down depending on the accessories one wore. Did I commit a dastardly sin?
This guy was wrong. If he can't recognize your sett, what's he doing telling you how to dress? A PC goes with any tartan at any time.
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5th January 12, 04:35 PM
#192
Re: The Kilt Kops
my view is that all who wish to go kilted can, i don't find it insulting in any way, shape or form. immitation is flattery in my book. I would have no problem if i seen someone wearing my sett who had no claim to it, id just be proud at the fact that they appreciate it. and on the subject of outfits all i ever see is people putting an effort in, i own a prince charlie and an argyle, but not everybody has the money. ive seen everything from darns in kilts to a dress sporran on a pub kilt and rugby shirt combo, and you know what wear your kilts with pride no matter who or where you are just remember you will always look dapper in a room full of suited people regardless of the jacket.
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6th January 12, 06:15 AM
#193
Re: The Kilt Kops
The kilt was originally everyday clothing for people in the Highlands who were for the most part engaged in agriculture.Some people have turned it into a fancy dress for special occasions,if they want to play dress up thats their perogative but don`t let them force their way on you or others.
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6th January 12, 08:32 AM
#194
Re: The Kilt Kops
You know . . . an interesting and nascent train of thought just struck me: Why is it frowned on by some to wear the kilt outwith the highlands, but Scotch whisky is universally acclaimed by the same highlanders as something they're proud to share? Should I be drinking only rye?
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Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair.
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6th January 12, 08:47 AM
#195
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by Henderson
...ive seen everything from darns in kilts to a dress sporran on a pub kilt and rugby shirt combo, ....
A few years ago at the Edinburgh airport I noticed a group of young men wearing kilts with rugby or t-shirts, dress sporrans in really bright colors, and a mixed collection of trainers and boots. Not one was "traditional" as we define here.
I was pleased to see these men wearing kilts, even though it was in a manner that I would not have worn myself.
As I said in another thread, I would like to see Scots wear kilts more often both in Scotland and abroad. The kilt is the single best and most positive advertisement for Scotland.
Virginia Commissioner, Elliot Clan Society, USA
Adjutant, 1745 Appin Stewart Regiment
Scottish-American Military Society
US Marine (1970-1999)
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6th January 12, 08:48 AM
#196
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by Father Bill
You know . . . an interesting and nascent train of thought just struck me: Why is it frowned on by some to wear the kilt outwith the highlands, but Scotch whisky is universally acclaimed by the same highlanders as something they're proud to share? Should I be drinking only rye?
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I too have been thinking along those lines after the recent F4T2 survey. I know it is not possible now and it may never have been possible, but I do wonder if the tartan trade had "protected" themselves as the Scotch whisky trade have done, then many a Scot would not now bemoaning the loss of control "their" tartan.
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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6th January 12, 08:49 AM
#197
Re: The Kilt Kops
Okay, I'm in a weird mood today so will say something I have been thinking for a long time: It seems some Scots (but certainly not all, probably even a minority) don't think their "national dress" should be worn by non-Scots or "outwith" Scotland yet also seem to think blue jeans are America's national dress. Okay, tit-for-tat, I hope they don't get caught wearing blue jeans (especially Levis); Had they'd better look out for the blue jeans (or better yet, Levi) kops? Ridiculous? Of course!
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6th January 12, 09:04 AM
#198
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by Father Bill
You know . . . an interesting and nascent train of thought just struck me: Why is it frowned on by some to wear the kilt outwith the highlands, but Scotch whisky is universally acclaimed by the same highlanders as something they're proud to share? Should I be drinking only rye?
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I was actually thinking on this very same subject the other day and it occurred to me that Scotch whisky, despite the name, is not immediately associated with Scotland.
Some merely view Scotch as just another type of whisky/whiskey: Rye, bourbon, sour mash, corn, etc.
Some just see it as another regional whiskey: Tennessee, Kentucky, Irish, Canadian, etc. I actually heard one person tell another that Scotch, Canadian, and Irish whiskies are just bourbons made outside the US.
I have met a number of people who do not make the connection between the spirit and the country, which I found surprising, though they will readily identify tequila with Mexico, vodka with Russia or Finland, and rum with the Caribbean.
In the minority are those who at least know the various regions in Scotland where whisky is made, and may have been on a distillery tour.
On the other hand, show them a man in a kilt and they immediately think "Scotland".
Virginia Commissioner, Elliot Clan Society, USA
Adjutant, 1745 Appin Stewart Regiment
Scottish-American Military Society
US Marine (1970-1999)
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6th January 12, 09:11 AM
#199
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by Father Bill
You know . . . an interesting and nascent train of thought just struck me: Why is it frowned on by some to wear the kilt outwith the highlands, but Scotch whisky is universally acclaimed by the same highlanders as something they're proud to share? Should I be drinking only rye?
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I wonder whether this has more to do with the highland/lowland divide than anything else
It seems to me that those who would keep the kilt to themselves are highlanders. Those who would share it around are lowlanders. And the highlanders equally seem to suggest that they would prefer lowlanders not to wear the kilt either
Historically lowlanders did not really wear tartan or kilts so it might be a bit of a "parochial" thing going on here. Not serious enough to start a war though
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6th January 12, 09:14 AM
#200
Re: The Kilt Kops
 Originally Posted by Father Bill
You know . . . an interesting and nascent train of thought just struck me: Why is it frowned on by some to wear the kilt outwith the highlands, but Scotch whisky is universally acclaimed by the same highlanders as something they're proud to share? Should I be drinking only rye?
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I share the same sentiment. It seems that wherever Scottish people immigrated to (and they went all over the globe), they took certain traditions with them. The love for tartan and the kilt is just one of them. Making whisky, playing the fiddle, in some cases, even speaking the Gaelic language, are just a few of the many traditions and aspects of their culture that migrated along with the people. Would anyone suggest that Highland dancing must only be performed in the Highlands? Or that Auld Lang Syne should only be sung in Ayrshire?
No, those things seem ridiculous to anyone. So why limit the wearing of Highland dress to those either born in, or currently living in the Highlands?
Furthermore, were that the case, the Scots Highlanders long ago would have ceased having any place to buy their tartans and kilts, as the tartan mills would have all shut down for lack of business!
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