Good Bye

[Blu (Ontario)]

... That is just childish and trying to call attention to yourelf.

What.... hitting the man with a stick on the way out the door?!?

[Iolaus]

I gotta say, I understand his feelings; I've felt rather constrained lately as well. There have been many times I've wanted to answer something of a non-kilt nature, but knew I'd be starting something that would shut the thread down - I did it on accident this morning; instead, I usually bite my tongue and watch a bunch of people chime in about "what a good point," or "that's how I feel," which leads to anyone else reading it thinking that they're reading a consensus, and they're not, but I can't say so. It gets pretty frustrating sometimes.

KCW said "If we all agreed, it would be a pretty boring world," but sometimes it seems like any time we disagree over anything more important that the length of a kilt, we get "moderated."

[KiltedKnight]

I myself have noticed a bit of hypocrisy here as well. There was a joke going around having to do with the personality of the French and because one of the moderators wives was French and took offence to it the thread, even though funny and very accurate was locked. This was not the same action taken on a recent joke about the sinking of the Titanic and it's relation to Cinco de Mayo and a loss of some cargo. Why wasn't that thread locked? My wife is Mexican and couldn't see the humor of the joke. I didn't say anything because I figured whoever locked the French joke thread would lock the Mexican thread as well.
Could whoever it was that locked the French thread please explain to me what the sinking of the Titanic and thousands of cases of Mayonaise had to do with the length of a kilt?
Is it this kind of reasoning that is causing Rigged to leave?
I know how the French military has behaved through the last few wars that they participated in and the joke fit well. There was no large shipment of Mayonaise bound for Mexico, so where is the fairness?
My wife had the grace to shrug it off but I'm sure that joke angered a lot of Mexicans. Everyone gets offended at something and most folks just laugh at ourselves and go along with a good natured laugh like most jokes were originally intended but when hypocrisy raises it's ugly head there begins a problem.
So rather than drag this out any further, please, whoever it was that locked the French joke thread tell me why a Mexican joke thread was allowed to run it's course? Either members of a forum can discuss what comes up or they can't but to make allowances for one thread but not for another is hypocrisy and nowhere near fair.

Chris...?

[Rex_Tremende]

I gotta say, I understand his feelings; I've felt rather constrained lately as well. There have been many times I've wanted to answer something of a non-kilt nature, but knew I'd be starting something that would shut the thread down - I did it on accident this morning; instead, I usually bite my tongue and watch a bunch of people chime in about "what a good point," or "that's how I feel," which leads to anyone else reading it thinking that they're reading a consensus, and they're not, but I can't say so. It gets pretty frustrating sometimes.

This is why I responded to Rigged in the UK #6 earlier today, in part, to refute the idea that there was one monolithic line of thinking among "the kilt movement," whatever that is. I didn't object to his premise, that some people were feeling alienated, but I did object to his attempt to speak on everyone's behalf, mine presumably included.

My other point, one that I've been trying to figure out how to broach without getting shut down, was that remarks made about UK's Position seemed to cast a penumbra on UKs in general and the people who choose to wear them.

Something must have happened after that, because I thought that discussion was polite enough. After seeing Rigged's farewell, I went back to the thread to see whether he felt in some way provoked by my comments. However, the thread was removed - not locked down or moved to the penalty box - just gone. I wonder, then, if this was Rigged's final straw.

It's a shame, really, because, as others have said, I've appreciated his posts on his experiences, told from his perspective. But I don't understand who needed defending, or from what, in particular. Reasonable adults ought to be able to disagree reasonably.

Regards,
Rex in Cincinnati.

[BLAZN]

This is why I responded to Rigged in the UK #6 earlier today, in part, to refute the idea that there was one monolithic line of thinking among "the kilt movement," whatever that is. I didn't object to his premise, that some people were feeling alienated, but I did object to his attempt to speak on everyone's behalf, mine presumably included.

My other point, one that I've been trying to figure out how to broach without getting shut down, was that remarks made about UK's Position seemed to cast a penumbra on UKs in general and the people who choose to wear them.

Something must have happened after that, because I thought that discussion was polite enough. After seeing Rigged's farewell, I went back to the thread to see whether he felt in some way provoked by my comments. However, the thread was removed - not locked down or moved to the penalty box - just gone. I wonder, then, if this was Rigged's final straw.

It's a shame, really, because, as others have said, I've appreciated his posts on his experiences, told from his perspective. But I don't understand who needed defending, or from what, in particular. Reasonable adults ought to be able to disagree reasonably.

Regards,
Rex in Cincinnati.

I just tried to check that thread out. There's a listing for it in the General Kilt Talk area of the forum, saying it has been moved. When I clicked to go to the thread, I got a page saying I didn't have permission to view it.

I rather enjoy XMarks (I even bought the shirt), so I have no intent to stir up any trouble. I just wanna know what gives. I mean... Do I really support a forum that is so sterile as to not allow controversy at all?

[GlassMan]

I don't want to step on any moderator's toes, but I have to admit that I've been a bit surprised at the quality of the moderation of late. Some threads that really haven't seemed offensive at all have been locked by some moderators while other threads that definitely seemed to be beyond the perview of this forum are allowed to go on. And I really dislike it when any thread is completely deleted. Even if a moderator completely disagrees with what has been said, it should at least be placed in the Penalty Box so that the rest of us can see why it was locked and avoid that in the future.

But what what bothers me the most is the apparent lack of any real consistency in which threads are locked and which aren't, as well as which threads/posts are deleted. I know we have a set of rules outlined in the FAQ, but those don't seem to be applied in a consistent manner.

I'm not a Mod so I have no power here. But perhaps a meeting of the Mods to go over what is and is not allowed, as well as what actions are appropriate, is in order. That way all the Mods can use the same criteria and the same methods for the moderation of this forum.

Also, I really like the way some Mods give us warnings in a thread before they lock it down. That should always be the modus operandi for a Mod. There are lots of times that a thread has a useful purpose or is very educational, but has started to veer over the line. A warning is great because it reminds our members what our limits are. But I find it very frustrating when a Mod just swoops in and locks the thread. It's like the Mod doesn't trust the rest of us Xmarkers to pay attention to a warning and clean up our acts.

Well, that's just my suggestion on how to moderate. As an active Xmarker, I hope that those suggestions will be at least considered since I think that they are reasonable and would definitely increase the enjoyability of this forum for all.

[Valencian Kilted]

In my case I was just appointed once or twice because of the use of "not a proper" language or expressions :rolleyes: , but the way I noticed was simple: I was noticed or adviced via PM and I simply changed or deleted the expression. In my opinion we are all grown enough to accept our responsibilities, so these kind of actions are for me much more efficient than simply closing a thread or deleting a post, as they remain in the "private" sphere and leaves the usual politeness safe. Of course, saying this I accept that I don't know if this was done or not in this particular case, although I'd bet for that, but well... I can only talk from my experience!.


And apart of this, I think this thread will not take us to anything conclusive. Moderators may have took note of the feelings and ideas expressed and we all know the rules as well, so,... this can maybe fall into a "fish conversation", and I think that we all have many other thinks to learn and share here, isn't it?

¡Salud!

T O N O

[Pour1Malt]

ai, will miss ya...

an ai hope ya feel ya can come back after a bit a time...

ai, fur wan, will welcome ya back....

[bangkok kilt]

Might it be possible to create a sub-forum similar to the The Pub that is purposefully designed for political discussions? Obviously I think some moderation would be good there too, language, racial slurs, etc. However, it could be more open and when you went there you would be doing so with the knowledge that it is dealing with opinions?

[fhpdo]

Rigged,
Foregoing all the other BS that won't make a difference in the end ...I just wanted to take a second to tell you...You'll be missed , dude! That is com ing from a lurker that enjoyed your posts.
John