Similarities between Native American Pow-Wows and Highland Games

[Bigkahuna]

It's good seeing family here

More than you might think. O-si-yo from the Cherokee Confederacy. Or should I say Say-go to my Iroquois Brother and sister?

[dfmacliam]

More than you might think. O-si-yo from the Cherokee Confederacy. Or should I say Say-go to my Mohawk Brother?

My running buddy is Cherokee from the Blue Clan.. and I am working on him, as well as with another member of the forum, to get him kilted... He is a Tindle.. looks like we just might get him kilted..

[Riverkilt]

Aye. Many of my clients are Navajo, Hopi, or Paiute. The painting you use for your avatar hangs in my office. I paid dear for it but it makes such a strong point and I believe its effective in helping break down cultural barriers.

Ron

[Sir William]

Aye...The painting you [Peacekeeper83] use for your avatar hangs in my office. I paid dear for it but it makes such a strong point and I believe its effective in helping break down cultural barriers.

Ron

I have the same print and like it because it shows the link between the two cultures.

This print is also the cover illustration of Calloway's book.

[Riverkilt]

For those of you scratching your heads about this thread, do yourself a favor and check out a pow wow near you, here are a couple on line schedules

http://www.crazycrow.com/events_nativeamerican/

http://gatheringofnations.com/powwows/index.htm

And, for sure, kilt up for the Pow Wow you visit. I've always been accepted kilted at Pow-Wows.

Do Google up Pow-Wow ettiquette before you go if they're new to you.

Anyhow, you'll, for sure, see the similarities and its worth a Pow Wow visit just for the vendors and the food.

And, I think it makes a strong, loving cultural statement when a man in a kilt walks up and contributes some cash during a blanket dance.

Ron

[Highland Logan]

Native Americans and Scots have much in common. Sadly, we are both conquered peoples who have been told we could not wear our Traditional garments, speak our Native tongues, or play our Native music. We both overcame those bans and remain righteously proud peoples.

When Native Americans gather to Pow-Wow, or descendents of Scottish emigrants gather at Highland Games we bring our whole family, we gather in clans/tribes, we proudly wear wide variations of our Traditional dress, we hold opening ceremonies, we compete with pipe bands/drumming groups, we compete with Traditional dances, vendors descend upon the gatherings selling Traditional wares and Traditional foods.

I think one of the few differences is that Scots hold their athletic competition at the games while Native Americans split that out at rodeos.

And it sure feels good to gather and celebrate.

Ron

When did the Scot's get conquered?

Frank

[TexasMcGregor]

Years ago, i used to attended ceremonies at a local Cherokee Stomp Ground. Didn't make it up there very often, but from time to time I did.

During the summer, when there was enough daylight, they would play stick ball. That game was fun, but would wear me out. Considering there used to be so much more of me, that is not surprising.

A lot of Scots settled with the Cherokee, mainly because of similar clan systems. Of course there was interbreeding, in fact the seven tribes were first united into one nation by a half breed named John Ross. During the War Between the States, the Cherokee sided with the Confederates, the declaration was signed by the president of the Cherokee nation, Patrick Ross,

The modern Cherokee nation actually has two presidents by the way. One is elected, and actually runs the tribe, much like a prime minister, the other is for life(not sure how it's passed on) and is a figure head and ceremonial leader.

I don't know if I'd call the Cherokee dances more strenuous than a highland fling, but I know there are many tribes out there all with different traditions.

I still can't help but wonder what went through the minds of those poor deprived Cherokee the first time a piper graced them with the skrailing of the pipes.

[macwilkin]

During the War Between the States, the Cherokee sided with the Confederates, the declaration was signed by the president of the Cherokee nation, Patrick Ross

Actually, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee, John Ross (who had considerable Scottish heritage), first attempted to keep the tribe neutral, but then embraced the Union cause. The Ridge Party, which Ross and others who had opposed removal to the Indian Territory, favored the Confederacy, mostly due to their dependence on slave agriculture.

The Confederates, like the other "Five Civilized Tribles", were divided in their loyalties. The Civil War in Oklahoma is a very bloody and sad story that is only now beginning to be told.

Regards,

Todd

[TexasMcGregor]

Actually, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee, John Ross (who had considerable Scottish heritage), first attempted to keep the tribe neutral, but then embraced the Union cause. The Ridge Party, which Ross and others who had opposed removal to the Indian Territory, favored the Confederacy, mostly due to their dependence on slave agriculture.

I stand corrected. It has been awhile since I read the declaration and I did not save it nor do I have any idea how I found it in the first place. The joys of web searches with a mind that is not even close to linear.

Thank you for your corrected information.

[Riverkilt]

Ummm, Highland Logan....not sure what context you mean it in when you ask when the Scots were conquered....understand if you're saying something along the lines of diehard old Rebels. -"The South Will Rise Again"...but if you're straight - Culloden would be one example...if Scots hadn't been conquered they'd not been prohibited from wearing the tartan etc.

Ron

Ron