Concerning neckwear

[Zardoz]

As we are in the traditional highland section of the forum, period Edward Vll - 1980's, a quick google for images of "Edward Vll kilt" brings up a multitude of images of the man himself wearing a tie with a kilt. These photos range from formal to informal. Bring that forward to today and look at Prince Charles attire, traditional style

Thus by the definition of the traditional era here on the forum, a tie is a traditional part of ones attire when wearing a kilt

Downunder Kilt is quite correct on this;
Edward VII demonstrates that like the flatcap, neckties have long been a traditional part of attire when wearing a kilt..

[rondo]

I have an answer. I believe the thread is becoming derailed. Let us not turn this into a flame war please. Thanks to all who contributed.
Rondo

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Edward VII, having lost a bet to The Hon. Angus "Towser" Metcalf, agreed to be photographed in a silly hat. The bet itself was rather silly, involving as it did the need to finish a limerick that began with the line:

"As I said to Miss Alice Keppel..."

Despite having cleverly used the phrase:

"As she stared at the Kaiser's Zeppel-
In times like these..."

His Majesty was unable to deal with the complexities of the limerick and, with typical Teutonic good humour, forfeited the wager.

(For more details see: My Eight Years In The Falklands (1903-1911) by The Hon. Angus Metcalf)

[Jack Daw]

Downunder Kilt is quite correct on this;
Edward VII demonstrates that like the flatcap, neckties have long been a traditional part of attire when wearing a kilt..

Hmmm...makes me wonder what his back collar button is supposed to match.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Please note that HM's bottom waistcoat button is... buttoned.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Reminds me of those flip books from my childhood, where one turns half-pages to put ballerina legs on the policeman's torso. Wear a jabot, man.

hmm... ballerina's legs on a policeman's torso... hmm... that would explain a lot...

Actually the modern tie worn today, be it bow tie or four-in-hand, has merely evolved from the neck cloths of the 17th and 18th centuries, subtly changing shape over the decades to fit in with whatever was current in men's fashion at the time. As Downunder Kilt has pointed out we have ample pictorial evidence to show that the modern necktie really has become a traditional item of Highland attire.

[Jock Scot]

Ahha! Another of these wretched pictures that seem to prove everything to some and actually prove well er --------noth...--------no a lot.

[Zardoz]

Ahha! Another of these wretched pictures that seem to prove everything to some and actually prove well er --------noth...--------no a lot.

Well, I don't really take that many tips on dressing from posed photos or paintings from a hundred or more years ago, but many of these pics of Edward VII are 'informal' taken by his wife. But all it shows me is that about a hundred or so years ago somebody thought that there were more that two hats that went OK with one's kilted apparel. And I figure that if the King of England, who was regarded as an arbiter of men's fashion at the time, felt that way it's likely others did as well.



I have to thank Downunder for teeing this one up!

[macwilkin]

As C.S. Lewis once warned, beware of "Cronological Snobbery". Whilst old photos may not be worth following in terms of dress, they do give us some view into past periods in history, that from a historian's perspective, can be valuable when paired with other sources.

A case in point comes from my own experiences in American Civil War history, when soldiers going off to war posed with all sorts of photographer's props -- bowie knives, revolvers, "Hurrah for Davis or Lincoln" placards and what not. If one believes only the photo, then great-grandpappy was armed to the teeth, yet primary sources describe the issuing of weapons to units and how private kit was quickly discarded on route of march because it weighed too much.

T.

[Father Bill]

I'm running the other way!