Mystery Tartan

[FatherWilliam57]

Well, whatever it is, I agree it is a very handsome tartan. Wear it in good health!

[Gregmc]

In bed at that time of night

It's definitely a trade version of Dress Wheathered MacKenzie. I have three on record, all from the 1950-70 era. This makes 4 (K guards to the R pivot).

The cloth looks to be saxony and the straps are thin so I guess that this is a woman's kilt/kilted shirt or a poorer quality man's kilt that dates to c1970-80.

Yeah, here's a weathered Mackenzie http://www.clan-mackenzie.org.uk/clan/tartan.html

This and the weathered Macdonald look similar, but all three are indeed different.

[Paul Henry]

The brown ground color is indicativce of some Irish tartans . . . It looks like MacKenzie, but I can't say that it is. The broad white implies a dress sett though.

Send a jpeg to the Scottish Tartan's Authority http://www.tartansauthority.com/research and have Brian and those guys look at it.

Just an aside, but the colour of any tartan isn't indiciative of it's place of origin, so you can't say that a brown ground means that it comes from Ireland,especially as the "Irish" tartans that are sold today are, for the most part reworking of colours from the counties coats of arms.

[Gregmc]

Just an aside, but the colour of any tartan isn't indiciative of it's place of origin, so you can't say that a brown ground means that it comes from Ireland,especially as the "Irish" tartans that are sold today are, for the most part reworking of colours from the counties coats of arms.

Originally color an geographic origin was exactly how tartan was identified, and as with County Down, brown as a ground color is indicative of some Irish tartan, so that is why I made the guess.

Thanks for your interest.

[Paul Henry]

Originally color an geographic origin was exactly how tartan was identified, and as with County Down, brown as a ground color is indicative of some Irish tartan, so that is why I made the guess.

Thanks for your interest.

The "Irish" tartans are not old, infact both the House of Edgar range or the Viking Tech Ltd range only date from the last 20-30 years,both of these have County Down tartans, one is brown based and one is green based.
Tartan colours were often based on what was available in the local area to the local weaver, so yes , geographically some early tartans might be identified by some of the colours typical of the weavers eg Wilsons of B), but the colour brown has no significance with Ireland not least that there were no known Irish tartans before the House of Edgar or the Crest ranges - with the exception of the "Ulster"

[davidlpope]

Just seconding my own remark that this is a weathered version of the Dress MacKenzie tartan.

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Matt and Peter have answered the question. It's not an Irish tartan. It's not Sinclair Hunting. It's not any other wrong guess that has been provided. It's a fashion variant of Weathered Dress MacKenzie.

This thread unfortunately reminds me of the recurring series of threads about the "mystery tartan" worn in Tunes of Glory....Geez.

[RockyR]

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Matt and Peter have answered the question. It's not an Irish tartan. It's not Sinclair Hunting. It's not any other wrong guess that has been provided. It's a fashion variant of Weathered Dress MacKenzie.

This thread unfortunately reminds me of the recurring series of threads about the "mystery tartan" worn in Tunes of Glory....Geez.

And + 3...

It's 100%, without a doubt, Mackenzie Dress Weathered.

[Gregmc]

The "Irish" tartans are not old, infact both the House of Edgar range or the Viking Tech Ltd range only date from the last 20-30 years,both of these have County Down tartans, one is brown based and one is green based.
Tartan colours were often based on what was available in the local area to the local weaver, so yes , geographically some early tartans might be identified by some of the colours typical of the weavers eg Wilsons of B), but the colour brown has no significance with Ireland not least that there were no known Irish tartans before the House of Edgar or the Crest ranges - with the exception of the "Ulster"

Yes, county Down has brown as ground color; that's what I said. I certainly didn't mean to imply that brown as such was "old", or that the Down tartan was old. I making a note based on my observations. The mystery tartan does not quite appear to be either Mackenzie or Macdonald, and county down came to mind . . So.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any tartan; considered "ancient" (by that I mean historically) to use brown in such away. I know that brown as a muted color has been used several times as we have seen, however I would not rule out some sort of Irish sett; that's all I'm saying. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that point.

[Paul Henry]

In bed at that time of night

It's definitely a trade version of Dress Wheathered MacKenzie. I have three on record, all from the 1950-70 era. This makes 4 (K guards to the R pivot).

The cloth looks to be saxony and the straps are thin so I guess that this is a woman's kilt/kilted shirt or a poorer quality man's kilt that dates to c1970-80.

Yes, county Down has brown as ground color; that's what I said. I certainly didn't mean to imply that brown as such was "old", or that the Down tartan was old. I making a note based on my observations. The mystery tartan does not quite appear to be either Mackenzie or Macdonald, and county down came to mind . . So.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any tartan; considered "ancient" (by that I mean historically) to use brown in such away. I know that brown as a muted color has been used several times as we have seen, however I would not rule out some sort of Irish sett; that's all I'm saying. I apologize if I wasn't clear on that point.

my emboldening

I'm a bit perplexed now, you have been told what the tartan is, by one of the acknowledged experts and you still don't accept it so I'm not sure what more we can do to help .

[Kilted Karl]

Dear Tartan Detectives,

Thank you all for your help. Others (not from x marks) have also suggested that it might be an Irish tartan.

The consensus from the experts seems to be that it is a variant of a weathered dress Mackenzie so that is what I will go with. What a long answer for when people ask....

Thanks to all of you for your input. I have learned more than a little bit about tartan from this thread.

Your Obedient Servant,

Karl