Tartan of the Month - Jun 12: What do you see?

[xman]

look again, it's definately not 1", as not all the red lines repeat evenly, perhaps it's just random...

Thanks for making me look. I still think the 'sett' is about an inch, but the warp appears slightly different from the weft.

[Paul Henry]

Thanks for making me look. I still think the 'sett' is about an inch, but the warp appears slightly different from the weft.

you're may be looking , but you are not actually seeing what is there ... not all the red lines are repeated evenly
Between the yellow ones, sometimes there are no red lines , soemtimes one red, or even two reds!

[xman]

you're may be looking , but you are not actually seeing what is there ... not all the red lines are repeated evenly
Between the yellow ones, sometimes there are no red lines , soemtimes one red, or even two reds!

In the warp (I'll call it, across from left to right) I count: R9, G3, Y3, G16, R9, G3, Y2, G16 - or thereabouts.
In the weft (I'll call it, up from bottom to top) I count: R12, G3, Y2, G16, R9, G3, Y2, G12 - or thereabouts.
(changes in bold)

But by making me look even harder you helped me spot an "error" just within the right hand side of the open circle of the penannular where the Yellow repeats "too soon" after a larger Green stripe. Perhaps this is what you mean by "not all ...are repeated evenly".

I can't spot a single or pair of Red threads anywhere except at the top by the fringe.

[Paul Henry]

I didn't say single red threads...
Look to the right of the brooch there are two red bands with yellow on the outsides, andd if you look at where the pin of the brooch is there are two narrow bands of yellow with no red in between them and on the far right there is no yellow band at all

[xman]

And on the far right there is no Yellow where we would expect it. Irregular.

[figheadair]

You both doing well but not all is always as it seems at first glance. Xman, you have incorrectly assumed the warp and weft, presumably by the rotation of the cloth which is how it is displayed but rotate it and the deduction is.....?

[xman]

You both doing well but not all is always as it seems at first glance. Xman, you have incorrectly assumed the warp and weft, presumably by the rotation of the cloth which is how it is displayed but rotate it and the deduction is.....?

That this is not traditionally a tartan at all. There is a small repeat in the warp, about an inch, and potentially a larger repeat (or else irregularity) in the warp at least the length of the piece.

What are the dimensions of the piece?

This might be a very old piece indeed.

[figheadair]

That this is not traditionally a tartan at all. There is a small repeat in the warp, about an inch, and potentially a larger repeat (or else irregularity) in the warp at least the length of the piece.

What are the dimensions of the piece?

This might be a very old piece indeed.

Not traditional? I couldn't disagree more. What's traditional. I have seen several similar type pieces and therefore one must assume that there was a tradition of making them. Don't confuse the regularity of modern machine made cloth with something made in thge home over 200 years ago.

The piece is rought 6 x 2 inches.

[xman]

Not traditional? I couldn't disagree more. What's traditional.

Semantics. Not 'strictly' tartan perhaps where the warp and weft are identical. Certainly tradition includes such patterns.

[figheadair]

More thoughts/observations anyone? More about the threads, sett and colours perhaps.