all man-made sporran?

[Singlemalt]

I just have to comment that different people have their own views... if some people have decided for themselves that avoiding animal products makes sense to them, then that's their decision.

I haven't eaten meat since 2003 and I avoid as many animal products as I can so finding non-leather sporrans would be an interesting thing to find out more about. So threads like this discussing where to get non-animal sporrans and other items are good to see.

I won't argue any points (eg, about what industries are more polluting , or why people may decide this way or that, etc) here since it's not the place but it would be nice if threads like this didn't seem to gain some objections about vegetarian/vegan products.

Pugasso, sorry if I came across as "objectionable". I certainly respect peoples rights to make their own choices. That is why I chose to say "I don't get the thinking" rather than I object to it or refute it. I have grown up and lived around the livestock industry most of my life and I am a passionate hunter. I will always be an unrepentant carnivore. However, I have a Daughter-in-Law who came into the family as a Vegan. She is an intelligent and determined young lady whom I have great respect and affection for. We have had some spirited debates over the years but always with respect for each others opinions and choices.

This may seem unrelated to the topic and this Forum. However it is surprising how often I find myself completely perplexed by a point of view I see expressed here on a variety of subjects. However, I try and be respectful and remember that there are many many points of view. In expressing my own I don't mean to diminish yours.

[Chas]

I see nothing inherently wrong with a Rob Roy type, or Hunter style, or Nightstalker type sporran made from canvas. It can be dyed to any colour under the sun. I have seen canvas shoes that have been painted to give a gloss or semi-gloss finish.

It doesn't have to look cheap and nasty. If made well, with care, I am quite sure that it would look as good as any leather sporran.

Regards

Chas

[Chas]

Richard, may I ask a stupid question? What is the objection to wool? Given that the animal sheds naturally and normally? About twenty years ago, I was up in Cumbria and came upon a flock of sheep. The field was littered with sheddings. It looked for all the world like a very localised snowstorm.

Regards

Chas

[brewerpaul]

Ive gotten some hemp bags from this ebay seller and removed the shoulder strap and made them into a waist strap like a regular sporran. They go with my hemp/organic cotton corduroy kilt Im making. Ill weave some jute or hemp yarn for straps and have a non animal kilt. Though Im vegetarian I do wear leather products. I guess if a person works hard enough at it they can not only avoid animal products but also products made from petro chemicals. Below is the link to the hemp bags, they are well made and come in colors. Many of them come with Buddhist symbols but there are also plain ones.

http://stores.ebay.com/Hither-and-Yo...=p4634.c0.m322

[Tim Little]

Some time ago I had a project in the works to make a Freelander-style sporran from a neat natural material called TreeTap. The project never really got off the ground, but I'm still enthusiastic about the material -- basically natural rubber that is cured onto a canvas base. It's most commonly used as an accent on fashion products like handbags, hats, etc.



It's pretty heavy stuff, and would be well-suited (as noted above) to a Freelander-style sporran. Part of my problem was that the material requires significant stiffening in order to form a suitable flap -- it's just too floppy. I never did find a workable solution and eventually put the project on indefinite hold. It's too bad -- I really like the concept of a truly animal-free sporran and I was going all-out using tagua nut slices in place of horn, and tracking down some Kontakt Kleber for the bits that needed adhesive.

[OC Richard]

Thanks for the many suggestions! I will pass them on.

I myself won't pass judgement or express opinions on this fellow's principles- he has the right to his own set of principles as do we all.

[johnnym]

While I am not a vegan, I also do not advocate the slaughter of animals for sport. My feelings are more like those of the Native Americans - kill only what you intend to consume and then eat what you kill and use the remains as much as possible. That would include tanning the hide for leather, using horn and bones for tools and the remainder for fertilizer for crops. If no animals died and decomposed, there would be significantly less vegetation. If there was less vegetation, we would have fewer animals.

In short, we need all other forms of life - animal and vegetable. Use them wisely and they will last forever. Waste them and they will be gone. This can be applied to all natural resources - water, coal, oil, trees, minerals etc. Recycle and re-use whenever possible.

[Singlemalt]

While I am not a vegan, I also do not advocate the slaughter of animals for sport. My feelings are more like those of the Native Americans - kill only what you intend to consume and then eat what you kill and use the remains as much as possible. That would include tanning the hide for leather, using horn and bones for tools and the remainder for fertilizer for crops. If no animals died and decomposed, there would be significantly less vegetation. If there was less vegetation, we would have fewer animals.

In short, we need all other forms of life - animal and vegetable. Use them wisely and they will last forever. Waste them and they will be gone. This can be applied to all natural resources - water, coal, oil, trees, minerals etc. Recycle and re-use whenever possible.

As a hunter I would not advocate "slaughter of animals for sport" either. I eat everything I harvest and in fact it is illegal in every jurisdiction that I am aware of to allow game meat to be wasted.

I doubt it makes any difference to the duck if he ends up in the belly of a Native American or a Caucasian one. After all we of all races are the descendants of skillful and successful hunters (those without skill or success left no descendants).

[Friday]

Ladies and Gentlemen has this thread moved off the intent of the original poster? Have we gotten on to a side track that has many different sides not related to kilts? Should we move back to a discussion of synthetic materials that may be usable for sporran making and leave the discussion of why to use one material or another?

This is not a criticism of any of the points of views, they are all personal opinions and therefore all correct for that person.

[Singlemalt]

Apologies Friday, I just could not leave "slaughter for sport" unanswered. I promise not to repond to anything else on this thread unless I discover a maker of cabbage leaf sporrans, (assuming it is OK to violate the veggies).