De-Anglicisation of Names

[slohairt]

ok im back again ... ham ... my buddy seems to be welsh but may be irish ... any ideas on the who what and where ...

Do you mean the surname Ham or Hamm? To the best of my knowledge, it is Anglo-Saxon and topographical in origin, from ham, meaning 'homestead'.

[An t-Ileach]

Miller - a "trade name" - is muillear in Gaelic and would sound much like as it does in Scots or English, so Miller could well be the Anglicisation.

[slohairt]

Miller - a "trade name" - is muillear in Gaelic and would sound much like as it does in Scots or English, so Miller could well be the Anglicisation.

Indeed. Some could have been Mac an Muilleir.

[hagridhorse]

my name is macmillan son of the tonured one my clan goes back 1000 years we are from the celtic clergy the tonure was at the front not in the middle

[slohairt]

my name is macmillan son of the tonured one my clan goes back 1000 years we are from the celtic clergy the tonure was at the front not in the middle

Mac Maoláin (IRISH)
Mac Maolain (SCOTTISH GAELIC)

Sometimes it is aspirated as Mac Mhaolain (pronounced MAC VAIL-AUN or MAC WAIL-AUN) and sometimes it can actually be the name Mac Gille Mhaoil, meaning 'son of the servant of the tonsured one'. (Pronounced MAC GILL-A VEEL or MAC GILL-A WEEL.)

You're right, the old tonsure method of the clergy of the Celtic church was the front portion of the hair. (Handy if you were going bald!) Supposedly this was derived from Druidic practice. Irish missionaries apparently received much flak for this hairstyle whilst preaching on the Continent.

[FreakPower70]

I will bite, my father is Owens and mothers is Nevins

[slohairt]

I will bite, my father is Owens and mothers is Nevins

OWENS Usually Welsh, from Ap Owain meaning 'son of Owain'.

NEVINS I believe this to be the same name as Nivens. These names is Anglicised from Mac Naoimhin (MAC NEEV-IN) or Mac Naomhain (MAC NAEV-IN) which mean 'son of Naomhan (little saint)'.

[LANCER1562]

This has been a very informative thread. I've learned a lot.
I wonder though, what you could do with
Kerr: Paternal
Marshall: Maternal

[slohairt]

This has been a very informative thread. I've learned a lot.
I wonder though, what you could do with
Kerr: Paternal
Marshall: Maternal

KERR From either:

1) Ciar, adjective for dark (as in hair or complexion), pronounced KEE-UR
2) Mac Gille Chiar, 'son of the servant of the dark', pronounced MAC GILL-A HyEE-UR
3) Kerr, a Lowland Scots topographical name of unknown origin
4) Irish; Anglicised from Ó Ciardha (modern Irish: Ó Ciara) 'descendant of the dark one'.

MARSHALL Norman occupational name, from French maréchal, meaning 'horse-servant'. I believe a Gaelicisation of the name is Marascal.

[Vagabond_Aero]

GG-dad came over from Ireland with the name Rowan. When I looked into an Irish geneology book, it said the Rowan's came from Scotland. I haven't found a reference for Rowan in Scotland, so any pointers you might have...