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22nd August 07, 10:46 AM
#31
I admit was critic of people writing in "scots" as it came across as being disrespectful to the way that we speak and I did criticise Robertson in particular, the reason being that I hate it when people mimic how we speak, however I understand that Robertson Resides in Scotland and is Sincere in his belief that its a language all of its own and its quite commen to see the language written that way in his part of Scotland. my own feelings are that its very Regional how most people post in a kind of South west/Glasgow way of speaking, across the country words and accents vary so much thast not including the island folk, so to call it "Scots" is Nae rerally accurate, how Robertson posts is a fairly accurate phonetic representation of a southern Scots accent, however Its like music it sounds better than it looks written down
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22nd August 07, 11:14 AM
#32
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC
Hey consider yourself lucky. I have found myself in a country that although one of its official languages is English they say things like "Please queue at the wicket opposite."
That's Canadian Postal Dude talk for "Yo, dummy, you're in the wrong line. Go stand over there!"
I also have trouble with Pour1Malts posts. So I just look at the pictures, nod, and jump to the next thread. It was two years before I knew who this Robertson guy everyone talks about was.
He does have a good collection of Scotch though, so I guess I'll keep trying to figure it all out.
I have wondered what the language is like in Canada. In England we say queue rather than line, but wicket is new to me unless it is a post like a wicket in cricket.
When I first came to the US to visit my wife-to-be we found ourselves in the KFC opposite Gracelands in Memphis. We went to order and the woman behind the counter recited the menu to us. When she finished I said to my fiancee, I will have the same as you, as I did not understand one single word the woman had said. ![Very Happy](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Peter
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22nd August 07, 11:20 AM
#33
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22nd August 07, 11:38 AM
#34
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by highlander_Daz
I admit was critic of people writing in "scots" as it came across as being disrespectful to the way that we speak and I did criticise Robertson in particular, the reason being that I hate it when people mimic how we speak, however I understand that Robertson Resides in Scotland and is Sincere in his belief that its a language all of its own and its quite commen to see the language written that way in his part of Scotland. my own feelings are that its very Regional how most people post in a kind of South west/Glasgow way of speaking, across the country words and accents vary so much thast not including the island folk, so to call it "Scots" is Nae rerally accurate, how Robertson posts is a fairly accurate phonetic representation of a southern Scots accent, however Its like music it sounds better than it looks written down
I wrote that Robertson's posts were a Scottish accent written phonetically, but reading the other posts I began to think I may be misleading people. So thank you for posting that.
One good that could come from P1M's posts, if people read them aloud as they are written, and understand them, they just may have a little less trouble understanding the broad Scottish accents they may come across should they visit Scotland.
Peter
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22nd August 07, 11:44 AM
#35
We went to order and the woman behind the counter recited the menu to us. When she finished I said to my fiancee, I will have the same as you, as I did not understand one single word the woman had said.
Well I suppose the Americans have the same problem when they come over here. I returned to the cloakroom once at Glasgow University students' union to collect my umbrella and asked the new (American) attendant to please hand me my brolly. He came back with it a few moments later and said "I can't find no brolly but I found this gamp."
Regional Director for Scotland for Clan Cunningham International, and a Scottish Armiger.
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22nd August 07, 12:06 PM
#36
I am pleased that Americans are so well up on Dickens Alex! ![Laughing](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Learning new words and phrases can only be beneficial so just as I try to adopt American idioms when visiting, so those visiting Scotland can benefit by learning a little Scots.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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22nd August 07, 01:36 PM
#37
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Peter C.
IOne good that could come from P1M's posts, if people read them aloud as they are written, and understand them, they just may have a little less trouble understanding the broad Scottish accents they may come across should they visit Scotland.
No hope, believe me.
As Daz has pointed out, there are enough differences in dialect that you might be able to adjust to a Glaswegian's speaking, but an Aberdonian will have you scratching your head.
P1M's use of 'ya' can easily turn into 'ye', 'yi' and even 'youse'. And I notice he uses 'frae' in place of 'from', but I've several pals from Glasgow and the surrounding areas that would say 'fae', rather than 'frae'.
I, for one, find the varied dialects one of the treasures of Scotland.
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22nd August 07, 05:54 PM
#38
Dialects in Scotland are so strong that, in Glasgow, it's a different speech a few blocks away.
I don't like the pretend Scots either but it's either accept or not. It's not my call.
One thing that's funny for me is our church "greeters". I've been asked to be one but as anybody raised in Scotland knows you are not going to put on a badge on that proclaims you are a "greeter". It's a little thing but I'm uncomfortable enough that I won't do it.
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22nd August 07, 06:15 PM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Martin S
Since none of the other varieties of English are written phonetically, I fail to see why the Scots version need to be.
Martin
I cud poun' out da loc'l Yooper di'lect of da U.P., which may not be as differ'nt as Scots, but ya prob'ly never 'eard it, so's harder to 'ear it in yer 'ead, eh?
Speakin' a which, what do youse guys t'ink of a Kromer an' choppers wit da kilt, eh?
An uair a théid an gobhainn air bhathal 'se is feàrr a bhi réidh ris.
(When the smith gets wildly excited, 'tis best to agree with him.)
Kiltio Ergo Sum.
I Kilt, therefore I am. -McClef
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22nd August 07, 06:31 PM
#40
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Nick
I cud poun' out da loc'l Yooper di'lect of da U.P., which may not be as differ'nt as Scots, but ya prob'ly never 'eard it, so's harder to 'ear it in yer 'ead, eh?
Speakin' a which, what do youse guys t'ink of a Kromer an' choppers wit da kilt, eh?
Right. Got the first part of that but failed in the second part. What is / are Krommer and choppers? And do the people of the UP often - as it appears to be here - mix singular and plural indiscriminantly?
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