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1st June 12, 11:34 AM
#31
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by tekdiver500ft
As to dicing, I'd need to see reasonably reliable refutation, as my sources (purportedly apolitical history books as well as several websites that have proven to be accurate) indicate that dicing on one's cap indicates fealty to the Crown of England. If it turns out that the facts are otherwise, I'll still not change which cap I wear, as I prefer the plain. However, it would be nice to have accurate information at hand.
Given the Stewart coat of arms (as in House of Stewart/Stuart), I find it very difficult to believe that dicing of any kind could be taken as allegiance to the House of Hanover.
Kenneth Mansfield
NON OBLIVISCAR
My tartan quilt: Austin, Campbell, Hamilton, MacBean, MacFarlane, MacLean, MacRae, Robertson, Sinclair (and counting)
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1st June 12, 11:36 AM
#32
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by tekdiver500ft
Sorry for the confusion earlier, I was bleary from lack of sleep. No, that's not an excuse, but is (I hope) an explanation.
I meant that I will no' swear fealty to the Queen, or any English monarch. Historically, the monarch is the nation, so to say that I don't accept England as my Queen means that I don't accept that the Queen of England has any rule over me.
As to dicing, I'd need to see reasonably reliable refutation, as my sources (purportedly apolitical history books as well as several websites that have proven to be accurate) indicate that dicing on one's cap indicates fealty to the Crown of England. If it turns out that the facts are otherwise, I'll still not change which cap I wear, as I prefer the plain. However, it would be nice to have accurate information at hand.
Dicing refers mainly to the Stuarts (and the various branches/cadet families) and can be seen as part of the armorial bearings for each particular Stuart chief.
Cheers,
Last edited by creagdhubh; 1st June 12 at 12:57 PM.
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1st June 12, 11:44 AM
#33
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer
Given the Stewart coat of arms (as in House of Stewart/Stuart), I find it very difficult to believe that dicing of any kind could be taken as allegiance to the House of Hanover.
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Stewart_CoA.png/200px-Stewart_CoA.png)
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Last edited by creagdhubh; 2nd June 12 at 06:06 PM.
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1st June 12, 12:28 PM
#34
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer
Given the Stewart coat of arms (as in House of Stewart/Stuart), I find it very difficult to believe that dicing of any kind could be taken as allegiance to the House of Hanover.
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Stewart_CoA.png/200px-Stewart_CoA.png)
Remember that the Stewarts were the ruling family of England for a time, starting with James VI/I. I never said it was allegiance to the House of Hanover, but to the Crown of England. While not necessarily proving my point, it does show that your doubts are incorrect. This is why I asked for reputable and reliable information. I have no problem being proven wrong, but "difficulty in believing" isn't proof.
Last edited by tekdiver500ft; 1st June 12 at 12:31 PM.
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1st June 12, 12:47 PM
#35
I virtually never wear a hat when kilted, but when I do it's a Ryan Ross bonnet. (Before that it was a balmoral.) No, there's no brim to keep off the sun, but that's what SPF-100 sunscreen is for. (Good idea to use it on and around the knees, too!)
I don't often wear a hat unkilted either; but that roohide one that English Bloke talks about looks fantastic, and I just placed an order for that very one after seeing his post.
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by English Bloke
The Rooskin hat was given to me as a giftee by an Aussie mate who was visiting a couple of years ago. It's as soft as kid-leather and crushes down to nowt to fit in a pocket then springs back to perfectly uncrumpled in an instant. Absolutely brilliant hat it is. It's made by Bahmah and is from their Kangaroo collection.
Picture from Bahmah Hats website
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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1st June 12, 12:52 PM
#36
I think "reputable and reliable" proof about the dicing being a symbol of loyalty to the House of Hanover, or Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Windsor) for that matter, is going to be hard to come by. That being said, there are certainly plenty of sources that state just that, and plenty of folks that have "heard it" that way for a long time. I'd think enough to say that the perception is certainly there.
Order of the Dandelion, The Houston Area Kilt Society, Bald Rabble in Kilts, Kilted Texas Rabble Rousers, The Flatcap Confederation, Kilted Playtron Group.
"If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"
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1st June 12, 02:07 PM
#37
I rarely wear any hat while kilted. If I do it is because weather demands it and I wear a Balmoral. I have to say I am not crazy about the look. Something about wearing a Balmoral with a kilt, slips over the boundary between nice traditional dress and a Scotsman costume to my eye. On the other hand I wear a Balmoral quite a bit with pants in cold weather and I like the feel and the look. It is my favourite style of winter hat.
As a loyal subject of Her Majesty I guess I can wear it diced or not, I have both. However, I have never heard anyone comment it means anything one way or the other.
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1st June 12, 03:43 PM
#38
I wear a glengarry, a balmoral, an Aussie crushable felt fedora style, a leather Outback hat, and even a Stetson. Next on my list of must have hats is an Australian Army Slouch Hat - with the side pinned up and my clan badge in place. Akubra makes them -- about $140 US so it'll be a while... The only type I haven't worn is a baseball cap -- but my son does with his kilt .
Rob.
Rev. Rob, Clan MacMillan, NM, USA
CCXX, CCXXI - Quidquid necesse est.
If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all. (Thumperian Principle)
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1st June 12, 03:56 PM
#39
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by KiltRevival
I thought I would ask here and see what hat people are sporting when kilted.
If/when I wear one at all it is a Balmoral, weight and color depending on the kilt I'm wearing and the season.
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1st June 12, 03:58 PM
#40
I've grown tired of the flak I receive about my flat cap.
So, now, I don't wear one.
![](http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee450/LitTrog/2012-06-01165207.jpg)
Yep. Keeps me from freckling, too.
Mister McGoo
A Kilted Lebowski--Taking it easy so you don't have to.
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