Is it ok...

**Steve Ashton** · 26th February 17, 02:51 AM

And on that note - - -

I think we need - - -

https://youtu.be/fUmXdMdRkQ0

**Jock Scot** · 26th February 17, 03:01 AM

I am not THAT familier with Canadian lumb---- er um, loggers attire, Steve!

**Tobus** · 28th February 17, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Ashton

Interesting that a line called 1905 would have modern spread collars. I really dislike spread collars.

I wasn't aware that the spread collar was considered "modern". I thought it came about in the 1920s when the Windsor knot gained popularity?

**Father Bill** · 28th February 17, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tobus

I wasn't aware that the spread collar was considered "modern". I thought it came about in the 1920s when the Windsor knot gained popularity?

Depends what you mean by "spread" There are some versions much more extreme than others. I don't like the ones that only show a narrow slit for the tie either. Extremism in fashion is no more pretty to me than extremism anywhere else.

**Crawdaddyjc** · 28th February 17, 10:27 AM

Found this online:

Spread Collar vs Point Collar:
The spread collar and point collar are two of the most popular collar styles–the former being a little more modern, while the latter leans more classic. While the collar points on these two are exactly the same in length, the the points end up 5” away from one another on the spread whereas they finish much closer, 3″ apart, on the point.

The effect is that the spread collar can visually widen the wearer’s face, while the point collar has been said to make one’s face appear longer (often quoted by Alan Flusser). The spread collar also allows more room for a wider tie knot than the point collar, due to the extra space between the collar points.

I like the point better because of my frame but i like big knots on my tie so either will work just fine.

**Steve Ashton** · 28th February 17, 02:41 PM

What we see in the stores today with what they call a spread collar is indeed new. Well within my adult lifespan. I can vividly remember the first time I saw one. I thought it was some custom made fashion art shirt.

Here is a comparison of collar shapes.

This collar style from Brooks Bros, does not even show up on the chart.

**gealach** · 28th February 17, 05:17 PM

If you were to change the viewing angle on the photo slightly, that collar would pretty much resemble the "spread" style (bottom row, 2nd from the left), don't you think? Just imagine tilting the shirt backwards slightly...

**Tarheel** · 1st March 17, 05:00 PM

I'll agree with gealach in the angle of the "spread" collar and photo being the same. Some of the knots listed in an earlier thread would have room with that opened collar type.

**Crawdaddyjc** · 4th March 17, 05:17 PM

so i ended up getting a shirt very close to what i linked to earlier in this thread. but i got it at dillards on clearance for $12!

anyway- getting this thead back on track: about going out in waistcoat without a jacket...

this weekend i will be attending my stepdads 75th birthday. i do not own a jacket yet but will be purchasing one this year. this is what i will be wearing. (i did not put on my flashes).

can i please get some feedback?

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