Kilts and costumes

[ChromeScholar]

Oh heck - Wear what you want! Come to my house when you are out trick-or-treating, and I'll talk kilts with you, and even offer you a beer or a single malt..............

I'd love to, but it's a tad far to commute for trick-or-treating...

[James MacMillan]

I'd love to, but it's a tad far to commute for trick-or-treating...

Well the offer stands! Open to all! If you are ever going to be in the San Diego (Oceanside) area - please PM me! - - Se habla español!

[Panache]

I can wear a kilt anyday (and often do). There are far too few opportunities to dress as Robin hood, Zorro, The Phantom of the Opera, a Highwayman, Sinbad, Hamlet, The Crow, and other delightful swashbuckling characters to waste Halloween.

Hmmm, perhaps this year I'll try for The Red Death...

Cheers

Jamie

[James MacMillan]

Oh heck - Wear what you want! Come to my house when you are out trick-or-treating, and I'll talk kilts with you, and even offer you a beer or a single malt..............

I require whisky, so if you'll excuse me.

So here’s the deal. Any adult showing up at my house after eight PM in a kilt, will be served beer or a single malt. Any adult showing up kilted before eight PM (especially is they are towing three rug rats) will be met with an amused smile. Any adult showing up at an adult style party kilted, will be forced to listed to the question, until they run screaming into the hills.

Now I too require whiskey, and you can bet your sweet bippy that I know how to drink it………………

[ChromeScholar]

I refused wearing the kilt because if I wore it that day no one could take it seriously any other day. Therein lies the issue, I think.

It is the issue. IMO, if you want to have the kilt treated like any other clothing, then treat it like any other clothing. The kilt seems to be the only type of clothing (as far as I can see) that offends just for being worn as part of a costume. That, in and of itself, prevents it from being treated as any other type of clothing.

Since you are discussing the issue in the abstract, not the merits of any particular costume, I think the parallel between someone renting a kilt and PC to dress up as a "Scotsman," and that same someone dressing up as a German in liederhossen and a Tyrolean hat, or as a Frenchman in stripped t-shirt, beret and cigarette, or for that matter a European dressing as an "American Tourist," with loud shirt and camera. While all involve stereotypes (as do many Halloween costumes for sale such as "hippie" "goth" "punk" etc.) none carry the racial baggage, and history of discrimination, as a white person dressing in black face.

Thank you! This is what I was trying to say (but not nearly this well).

[macwilkin]

It is the issue. IMO, if you want to have the kilt treated like any other clothing, then treat it like any other clothing. The kilt seems to be the only type of clothing (as far as I can see) that offends just for being worn as part of a costume. That, in and of itself, prevents it from being treated as any other type of clothing.

Of course, those of us who are traditionalists will argue that because the kilt has symbolism to us in regards to our family heritage, military service, etc., we do not wish to to be "just like any other type of clothing".

Now, I'm not saying my opinion is the only correct one -- far from it. But not everyone who wears a kilt has the "cause" of its adoption as another piece of clothing. For some of us, it is a symbolic garment.

I respect those who differ from me, and ask the same in return.

Regards,

Todd

[Mike1]

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Of course, those of us who are traditionalists will argue that because the kilt has symbolism to us in regards to our family heritage, military service, etc., we do not wish to to be "just like any other type of clothing".

HEY!! Who are you calling a traditionalist, anywho?!?

Now, I'm not saying my opinion is the only correct one -- far from it. But not everyone who wears a kilt has the "cause" of its adoption as another piece of clothing. For some of us, it is a symbolic garment.

Oh c'mon Todd, you mean after all these months, you're not ready to demand that everyone around you be kilted each and every day of the year?

Remember, the whole concept of tolerance is meant to be a one-way street. Everyone is to remain tolerant of you wearing the kilt, whilst you demonstrate absolute intolerance toward those A) who do not wear kilts ever, B) who do not wear kilts every day of their lives, C) who do not wear 16 oz. tanks (or contemporary kilts, depending on your own side of the fence) and/or D) who meet all of the above qualifications.

I respect those who differ from me, and ask the same in return.

Todd, Todd, Todd... You've obviously forgotten the most important step. You never, ever, never ask for respect. You demand it. And be prepared to go off like a shot if it is not granted.

By a show of hands, how many of you have seen this same topic beaten like the proverbial dead horse, ad nauseum?

It's a blinkin' kilt. Wear it. Or not. It's your individual choice. The when, the why and the how are all up to you. If you want to wear a kilt to work, wear it. Or not. If you want to wear a kilt to church, wear it. Or not. It's your decision to make. And there's nothing to be gained by suggesting someone is wearing it at the wrong times, for the wrong reasons and in the wrong manner. (Unless the numpty is wearing it pleats forward, of course.)

How about let's argue the significance of a particular style of shoes next time, just to switch it up a bit. I mean, can you believe the lazy bums that wear loafers? Are they too lame to tie their own shoelaces? Sheesh, what's this world coming to? Anyway?

I require whisky, so if you'll excuse me.

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[Coemgen]

It's a blinkin' kilt. Wear it. Or not. It's your individual choice. The when, the why and the how are all up to you. If you want to wear a kilt to work, wear it. Or not. If you want to wear a kilt to church, wear it. Or not. It's your decision to make. And there's nothing to be gained by suggesting someone is wearing it at the wrong times, for the wrong reasons and in the wrong manner. (Unless the numpty is wearing it pleats forward, of course.)

How about let's argue the significance of a particular style of shoes next time, just to switch it up a bit. I mean, can you believe the lazy bums that wear loafers? Are they too lame to tie their own shoelaces? Sheesh, what's this world coming to? Anyway?

I require whisky, so if you'll excuse me.

Sir, your rhetoric never ceases to amaze .

[bunchdescendant]

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Mike1-

The correct command is 'su admin' or ./adminhat

Ray

[Roan Carter]

Also of note, some of us who have tried to wear the kilt have been told "no!" on the grounds that the kilt is a costume for special occasions. That is what my dad told me. I won't forget how he used that exact word, and how much I disagreed. So I wear my kilts daily, and I'm not interested in having it equated to a costume.