Gent's "LOOK" for Church & Buffet - Puffer

**Panache** · 2nd February 09, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by CDNSushi

I like it. Very much. Jamie may feel that it doesn't work for him, but I honestly think that the key words in that sentence remain: "for him." He was able to express his reasons and justify his dissension but that doesn't make it any less of a personal opinion about style...

Absolutely true.

Puffer asked for opinions and I tried my best to make sure that it was clear that what I was offering was my own.

I think that when one's gives an opinion one should do the following:

(1) Use "I" statements

You should take ownership for your opinion.

(2) Offer specifics

"Thumbs up" and "Thumbs down" don't help a person understand where you are coming from. The reasoning and basis behind your thoughts is very important.

(3) Criticism should be polite

Even the best advice will be rejected if offered in a rude and unpleasant manner

(4) Offer suggestions to help

It is easy to tear something down. To work with the person asking for help or advice takes a bit more effort but is infinitely more helpful.

I stand by my opinion that Puffer's outfit doesn't work for me but that I see two separate (but good) outfits in this ensemble.

It is up to him to take that advice, consider it, and decide whether or not it is useful.

My opinion is most certainly not the end-all or be-all of kilted fashion. I myself have made more than my fair share of "Kilt Don'ts"in the last 3+ years I have been wearing kilts, but with the help of many here on X Marks the Scot I have developed a look that I like and feels right.

Puffer took my opinion as just that, one person's opinion. He seems to have understood where I was coming from in my thoughts and may do with them what he will.

As I mentioned in another recent thread, we all bring a unique quality to our attire. Our own flair often makes an outfit work for us when it wouldn't for someone else.

And this is a good thing as the world would be a very dull place if we were all exactly the same.

Cheers

Jamie

**puffer** · 2nd February 09, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Panache

Absolutely true.

Puffer asked for opinions and I tried my best to make sure that it was clear that what I was offering was my own.

I think that when one's gives an opinion one should do the following:

(1) Use "I" statements

You should take ownership for your opinion.

(2) Offer specifics

"Thumbs up" and "Thumbs down" don't help a person understand where you are coming from. The reasoning and basis behind your thoughts is very important.

(3) Criticism should be polite

Even the best advice will be rejected if offered in a rude and unpleasant manner

(4) Offer suggestions to help

It is easy to tear something down. To work with the person asking for help or advice takes a bit more effort but is infinitely more helpful.

I stand by my opinion that Puffer's outfit doesn't work for me but that I see two separate (but good) outfits in this ensemble.

It is up to him to take that advice, consider it, and decide whether or not it is useful.

My opinion is most certainly not the end-all or be-all of kilted fashion. I myself have made more than my fair share of "Kilt Don'ts"in the last 3+ years I have been wearing kilts, but with the help of many here on X Marks the Scot I have developed a look that I like and feels right.

Puffer took my opinion as just that, one person's opinion. He seems to have understood where I was coming from in my thoughts and may do with them what he will.

As I mentioned in another recent thread, we all bring a unique quality to our attire. Our own flair often makes an outfit work for us when it wouldn't for someone else.

And this is a good thing as the world would be a very dull place if we were all exactly the same.

Cheers

Jamie

WELL SAID, my Friend. I have not only ENJOYED the "opinions" BUT gained a LOT of GREAT INSIGHT.

To "massacre" a phrase "WE are the FEW, the PROUD, the KILTED'

Puffer

**JSFMACLJR** · 2nd February 09, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown

Pace sticks and "swagger" sticks are two different things. Pace sticks are carried by sergeants, and are used (among other things) to "pace off" the parade ground (they open to 30 inches, the standard military "pace"). A swagger stick is a light, leather covered piece of cane, similar to a riding crop, and it is used by officers when inspecting troops to point out defects in the soldiers kit or appearance.

The use use of pace sticks is not unique to Irish regiments, but common to all regiments (and the RAF, RM, and RN, as well). The same also broadly applies to swagger sticks.

Officers of Scottish regiments carried walking sticks ( what an American would call a "cane"). They would carry the stick on parade hooked around their arm behind the elbow and held in the hand. When the RHR left Hong Kong I believe sticks were carried by the officers. I could be wrong, but I certainly remember a film clip of some of the garrison bording a troop ship with the officers carrying sticks.

What say you Nervous Jock?

Cheers,
Sandford

**BroosterB1** · 2nd February 09, 07:33 PM

Jamie and friends,

Here, here! The height of civility is to be able to disagree, fervently, passionately, but respectfully and politely. The saw "I disagree with you with the utmost ferocity, however I will defend your right to say it to the death" comes to mind. Gentlemen (and women) can and should disagree but remain able to carry on in a civilized manner.

I endeavor to make my opinions known exactly as that, my opinions, as I believe you do as well. And yes we all have our own takes on what does or does not work, especially for ourselves.

Our expressions of style reflect who we are, and where we have been. I have a feeling that due to where we live, Ron and I view what works for us a touch differently that what Jock, Sushi or Duchess would.

I do not live in the highlands, and therefore am not subjected to the same weather or physical conditions. Look, for the most part should never be outweighed by pure functionality. Like wise the functionality of something may be over whelmed by the pure ugliness of it, or the appropriateness to the location you live in. Personally, I would love to have a waxed cotton jacket, but in New Mexico the opportunity to wear it for the conditions it was designed for, is next to non-existent. It is all, as you say, a balancing act.

What is the point of being a kilt wearing non-conformist, if strangely we feel obligated to conform to our own subset of purest regulations. In a strange way we all celebrate the primal nature of the Scots, Pict's and Celts. By being willing to experiment and yes, push the envelope a touch, we can all inspire and support each other in this magnificent endeavor.

I raise my glass, doff my hat and say to you my brothers and sisters, Kilt ON!

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**Panache** · 2nd February 09, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Officers of Scottish regiments carried walking sticks ( what an American would call a "cane"). They would carry the stick on parade hooked around their arm behind the elbow and held in the hand. When the RHR left Hong Kong I believe sticks were carried by the officers. I could be wrong, but I certainly remember a film clip of some of the garrison bording a troop ship with the officers carrying sticks.

Apologies for Puffer for taking this off topic perhaps we should make this its own thread? (Then again Puffer is a stick fancier so he should weigh in )

Sanford,

Would these canes be like the ones sported by the officers in the film "Tunes of Glory"? As I recall they were simple bamboo crooks.

Cheers

Jamie

**pastorsteve** · 2nd February 09, 07:47 PM

Looks great mate. I hope church was inspiring as well.

**JSFMACLJR** · 2nd February 09, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Panache

Apologies for Puffer for taking this off topic perhaps we should make this its own thread? (Then again Puffer is a stick fancier so he should weigh in )

Sanford,

Would these canes be like the ones sported by the officers in the film "Tunes of Glory"? As I recall they were simple bamboo crooks.

Cheers

Jamie

Exactly, Jamie, except most were ashplants.

duchessofnc · 2nd February 09, 07:56 PM

Number 1, I would like to point out that the kilt wasn't even around when the Picts or Celts existed. However, I would not wish to be around an individual who is wearing a kilt because they are trying to be a non-conformist because they are completely missing the mark on why I love and admire kilts.

I love and admire kilts because they are an integral part of my heritage. My Scottish Heritage.

**JSFMACLJR** · 2nd February 09, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by duchessofnc

Number 1, I would like to point out that the kilt wasn't even around when the Picts or Celts existed. However, I would not wish to be around an individual who is wearing a kilt because they are trying to be a non-conformist because they are completely missing the mark on why I love and admire kilts.

I love and admire kilts because they are an integral part of my heritage. My Scottish Heritage.

I must not have been reading closely, as I missed the reference to Picts and Celts. Can you refer me to that post please?

Kind regards,
Sandford

**BroosterB1** · 2nd February 09, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

I must not have been reading closely, as I missed the reference to Picts and Celts. Can you refer me to that post please?

Kind regards,
Sandford

See my above post; and yes I was getting flamboyant with my description. Historically the modern kilt is only 400 to 500 years old. Modern Scots did not co-exist with Pictish tribes. I must reign in my tendency to be effusive.