Highlanders v. Lowlanders

[Matthew Siegmann]

Interesting note, the Keiths weren't originally of gaelic or celtic origin, they came from a germanic tribe from the Rhineland known as the Catti. The Romans pushed them to the English channel about the first century B. C. From there they sailed to the northern area of what is now Scotland. So going back about 2000 years, some Eurpoean non-norse blood found its way into Scotland.

[ForresterModern]

Another variant origin of my own. Forresters were originally Forrestieres from the Flemish lowlands and were lieutenants of William the Conquerer who fought beside him during the Norman invasion, then were land granted a large area of the midlothian and westlothian lowlands west of Edinburgh (Corstorphine Castle area and westward), charged with maintaining it in William's name. So Flemish Normans as well invested into the Lowlands, and subsequently joined into some of the Riever bands as time went on and the borders turned into the constantly contested battlelands. As such we had no tartan or likely family kilts until American descendants generated designs in the late 20th century. Not sure what theScottish Forresters wore before then but probably wasn't the kilt unless it was of generic cloth or the Nurthumbrian/Shepherds plaid.

Yet another variant of where Scottish heritage and culture comes from to some degree. It's okay, I don't mind being called a "johnny come lately".

[Redshank]

Well I think Lowland Scots are spare English, 2nd class citizens in their own right

[skauwt]

Well I think Lowland Scots are spare English, 2nd class citizens in their own right

well for starters my ancestors are not spare english ,
if folk are going to be funny buggers about the origins of whose from where ..........then we are all africans at the end of the day

[Redshank]

well for starters my ancestors are not spare english ,
if folk are going to be funny buggers about the origins of whose from where ..........then we are all africans at the end of the day

I was joking hence the

[skauwt]

i must admit ya had me there , thats the thing with words i guess
though its a bid mad when you come onto this forum and everyones going on about whose from where and all that though granted folk are proud the heritage but people are people ive said it a few times on different topics but thats all we are people who are trying to recapture things and folk who are long dead and buried all that remains is what folk think these people did and speculate on evidence and data gathered over time,

im all for respecting the ancestors but i reckon if they lived today they`d have laughed at us and told us to stop out hayvering and get on with life and be thankful for what we have

[Rob]

Well I think Lowland Scots are spare English, 2nd class citizens in their own right

But aren't the Dal Riada (Gaelic Celtic) Highland Scots just 2nd class "Johnny-come-lately" foreigners from Ireland, compared with the "indigenous" (Brythonic Celtic) Lowlanders and Picts?

[Redshank]

But aren't the Dal Riada (Gaelic Celtic) Highland Scots just 2nd class "Johnny-come-lately" foreigners from Ireland, compared with the "indigenous" (Brythonic Celtic) Lowlanders and Picts?

nice one