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    Re: "Ritualistic circumstances"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMcG View Post
    ... My point about the kilt being misunderstood outside of ritual circumstances extends far beyond ownership claims by Scots. Wearing a kilt in ritual circumstances, the meaning of the clothing is fairly clear. Wearing a kilt in non-ritual circumstances (especially outside Scotland) requires more sensitivity because it can unconsciously communicate a host of undesired meanings. Of course some people have an aberrant disregard for what others think, which is another story.

    And no, unfortunately, the kilt is not becoming a worldwide phenomenon. We are very much in the minority!
    "Of course some people have an aberrant disregard for what others think, which is another story."
    CMcG, I understand and have often experienced that easily cutting both ways, but it popped a question into my mind.

    Do you find yourself, knowing that you may be being perceived incorrectly by outsiders of sorts, reconsidering or analyzing your own impressions and reactions to people or groups, or even their signs and symbols?
    I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
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    Re: "Ritualistic circumstances"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    A copy of "American Gothic," and my picture standing by the Indian Fig cacti with a pitchfork while wearing a canvas kilt are both still in my profile album. That's all I have to say.
    I love that picture!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    "Of course some people have an aberrant disregard for what others think, which is another story."
    CMcG, I understand and have often experienced that easily cutting both ways, but it popped a question into my mind.

    Do you find yourself, knowing that you may be being perceived incorrectly by outsiders of sorts, reconsidering or analyzing your own impressions and reactions to people or groups, or even their signs and symbols?
    Knowing that my kilt-wearing may be perceived incorrectly by outsiders makes me reserve it for more or less ritualistic circumstances; I'm only a daily kilt-wearer in the privacy of my own home.

    In terms of my own impression of other people, I try to keep an open mind. When I read clothing semiotically, I will usually hold the symbolically available meanings balanced against the contextual information, and then try to make the most charitable interpretation. If there is someone that I am interacting with (as opposed to just observing) and I am perplexed by their clothing, I would try to politely ask them for clarification of their intended meaning. And I'm quite difficult to offend...

    The flip side of freedom of dress should be tolerance of difference. I am all too aware, however, that inclusiveness and permissiveness are lofty ideals, so I try to dress according to the circumstances.
    - Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
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    Re: "Ritualistic circumstances"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMcG View Post
    I love that picture!
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    Thank you, and also thanks to Grant Wood's. When I was a kid, we had a print of American Gothic on the wall that I saw every day.
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    Knowing that my kilt-wearing may be perceived incorrectly by outsiders makes me reserve it for more or less ritualistic circumstances; I'm only a daily kilt-wearer in the privacy of my own home.
    In terms of my own impression of other people, I try to keep an open mind. When I read clothing semiotically, I will usually hold the symbolically available meanings balanced against the contextual information, and then try to make the most charitable interpretation. If there is someone that I am interacting with (as opposed to just observing) and I am perplexed by their clothing, I would try to politely ask them for clarification of their intended meaning. And I'm quite difficult to offend...

    The flip side of freedom of dress should be tolerance of difference. I am all too aware, however, that inclusiveness and permissiveness are lofty ideals, so I try to dress according to the circumstances.
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    I suppose it could be dancing or boxing.

    It occurs to me that both people in an interaction could end up feeling like the "outsider." That's a little funny because that leaves them with something in common; neither being an outsider to being an outsider in the interaction.
    Ehh, what do I know.

    On the other hand, I have not yet decided how I will use the canvas kilt I have started wearing again; perhaps ceremonially in a garden ritual.

    Thank you for the interesting discussion, Chirs and CMcG.
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