Bad news

[Sir Robert]

I can see the biological reasons for hot water and clothes washing in a nursing home. But to tell you how you may dress off duty in a chapel is beyond the pale of civilized behavior.

I suggest in addition to whatever else you have in the works, go to this man's priest and have a very long talk to the preist about kilts, Christian charity, and the moral responsability of the Church to instill tolerance. If the priest fails to have a long talk with the board member, go to the Bishop.

It is being done in their name, they can fix it.

[Southern Breeze]

Gram I can't seem to reach http://www.xmarksthescot.com/articles_id.php?id=1
I even opened my internet explorer browser and got "Error! There is no article. Have you made a mistake?"

Like to read the article.
I sure am glad I own my own Company.

Hermann, Sorry to hear about the situation intensifying. :sad:



Wish you the best in this matter,
MrBill

Unfortunately, the articles are unavailable. Heres a copy of Grahams article I borrowed from Kilt Review. If I'm violating any forum rules by doing so,let me know and I'll go stand in the corner

Christians and Kilts - Overcoming Objections

Is it OK for a Christian to wear a kilt?

Many would wonder why such a question should even be asked and may quickly exclaim that everyone is free to wear whatever pleases them.

For the serious Christian, that is not actually true to say. The One, Who began with 12 disciples a radical movement that would turn the world upside down and inspire millions over two thousand years, also told His followers that they were “..in the world, but not of it”. Those in the service of Jesus Christ were to do that which is first and foremost pleasing to God, and that involves “denying oneself”, “dying to self” and looking not to this world but to a Kingdom that is yet to come as the ultimate destiny of the faithful.

For this reason, a servant of the Lord will question everything in the light of Gods’ Manual for life, the Bible. This includes all that pertains to our effective witness to the unsaved, our words, our thoughts, our actions and deeds, yes and our outward appearance. All must harmonise with our profession of faith in order to be honourable members of the Church of God.

So, is it OK for a Christian to wear a kilt?

As I struggled with this question, I began communicating with other kilt-wearers locally and around the world, before long it became evident that there was a large percentage of men who share with me a love for wearing a kilt, and for the Christian faith. So clear was this fact, that the question was even raised on the Xmarksthescot forum.

Even in our small part of the world, the local kilt-night group comprises roughly 90% Christian men. Of those I have come to know around the world a significant proportion of men have some form of church involvement, it would seem that many are finding, as I have done, that wearing a kilt is in no way contrary to faith in God.

I am convinced, as I search the topic in the light of the Bible, that there is no conflict that should concern us, quite to the contrary, the Christian may have great confidence in the wearing of unbifurcated garments, especially the kilt.

Recently, from discussions I have been involved in with kilted church goers in Australia, USA and UK, I have found the general reaction they have received from their respective churches has been quite positive. I can say that while, naturally, there are always some individuals whose personal feelings and bias may cause them to frown on kilts, there have been, overall relatively few problems in finding acceptance for a man in a kilt, this is as it should be.

By way of both finding encouragement in the scriptures and also having an answer from the Bible for any who may question our kilt wearing, I would like to offer the following for your consideration:

* To those in the church who may be disapproving I would remind them that the Bible tells us not to judge on the basis of outward appearance. 1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said to him, "Pay no attention to how tall and handsome he is. I have rejected him, because I do not judge as people judge. They look at the outward appearance, but I look at the heart."

* Some church members may suggest that you are wearing womens’ clothes and quote the Old Testament: Deu 22:5 "Women are not to wear men's clothing, and men are not to wear women's clothing; the LORD your God hates people who do such things. While this saying is true and the Bible is clear about the confusion created by men wearing clothes that rightly belong to a woman, yet it simply cannot apply to kilts, nor indeed any other national garment that is considered to be for men only, such as the Indian ‘lungi’, or Fijian ‘Sulu’ and the ‘lap lap’ of Papua New Guinea. Kilts are and always have been considered male only clothing. Any accusation of cross dressing or being effeminate arises out of ignorance of what the kilt is and what it represents. This will involve informed discussion to dispel the ignorance, but hey – that’s our job as Christians isn’t it?

* Church people are not always exempt from the ridiculous obsession many seem to have with what is under the kilt and some may worry that a kilt is not a “modest” garment for a man to wear, especially in church. It is true that for the Christian, clothing should be modest at all times for one who serves Almighty God, vanity and indecency have no part of a life devoted to God.
The apostle Paul counseled a young minister named Timothy regarding Christian standards:
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel.
Of course this equally applies to men, and again, no problem because kilts are far more modest than many styles of clothing worn today. When worn with kilt hose (socks), little more flesh is shown than the kneecaps when a kilt is worn in church.
We can have confidence that a kilt is a very appropriate form of attire in worship.

* Jesus is the example in all things to those who choose to honour Him. While it is true that Jesus lived in a different time and place, and while it is also true that Jesus wore very similar clothes to those in His community, yet it is also a fact that Jesus did not wear trousers!
The clothing that Jesus wore resembled the Roman “tunic,” corresponding most nearly to our “long shirt,” reaching below the knees always, and, in case it was designed for dress occasions, reaching almost to the ground.
If it was wrong or sinful for men to wear unbifurcated garments, Jesus would not have done so Himself.

Finally, in balance, I should say that a high goal for a Christian is to cause no offense concerning small matters such as food and clothing. Jesus said in the Gospels that we are not to be troubled concerning these things while higher issues of spirituality our relationship with God and our place in His Kingdom are far more vital (Matthew chapter 6).

So, if we as Christians know we are going to a situation where our kilted clothing will cause concern to some whose understanding is not the same as ours, then the proper course of action is to do all we can to avoid such offense.

[GMan]

You know that you have a bunch of people behind you. Good Luck

[GlassMan]

That is just WRONG WRONG WRONG! Considering the EUs rather generous protections on employees I don't see how it is legal for an employer to tell you what you can and cannot wear on your own time in your own home. I say get a lawyer and fight, fight, fight.

And on another note, if you decide to go the route of tartan trews, may I suggest the Barkley:



Or perhaps Ancient Chattan:



Or maybe Ancient Livingstone!

[mbhandy]

Thanks SB,

I now have that in my documents.

MrBill

[Iolaus]

On the 30th I recieved a letter telling me that I am not allowed to wear my kilt when I am in the house in my free time, as a private person. The same director had been there and felt offended again!

I've noticed a few people refering to herminator not being able to wear his kilt in his own home. Herm, feel free to correct me, but I read this to mean "in the 'Christian House(TM)'" at which he's employed, while on his own time.

While it is still abhorant to restrict what he can do on his own time, it isn't like they're telling him he can never ever wear the kilt - only that he can't wear it on the property where he is employed.

[HeathBar]

I've noticed a few people refering to herminator not being able to wear his kilt in his own home. Herm, feel free to correct me, but I read this to mean "in the 'Christian House(TM)'" at which he's employed, while on his own time.

Ooh...I could have misunderstood that. Sorry if I've caused a "rattlin' of the sabre's".

And on another note, if you decide to go the route of tartan trews, may I suggest the Barkley:

Glassman...Are you saying my family's tartan is loud and obnoxious and might cause some to avert their eyes? If not, well...that's exactly what it is.

[Angus MacSpey]

This is interesting. Do German citizens not have constitutional rights? Do you have a lawyer who might write this gentleman a letter explaining them?

I do believe there are some constitutional-type rights there, but certainly not in the sense that we have such in the USA. According to Jeff Rense , anyway, - though who knows if he knows what he's talking about. I have no idea how other countries (including Canada) might tie such a battle in with the concepts of "free speech" or "free expression," but as I'm sure we all know, an awful lot of strange things in America are considered "protected free speech" while having nothing to do with speech. But hey, that's ACLU for you - they'll defend body piercing and bestiality under the First Amendment. I'm frankly surprised Germany isn't more liberal than we are.

[Livingston]

Or maybe Ancient Livingstone!

I rather like the Ancient Livingstone! BTW, did I mention that my tank is the Livingston tartan?

[Sciuropterus]

Quoted from "Three Men on the Bummel" by Jerome K. Jerome (written around 1890, about three Englishmen traveling through Germany)

"In Germany you must not wear fancy dress in the streets. A
Highlander of my acquaintance who came to pass the winter in
Dresden spent the first few days of his residence there in arguing
this question with the Saxon Government. They asked him what he
was doing in those clothes. He was not an amiable man. He
answered, he was wearing them. They asked him why he was wearing
them. He replied, to keep himself warm. They told him frankly
that they did not believe him, and sent him back to his lodgings in
a closed landau. The personal testimony of the English Minister
was necessary to assure the authorities that the Highland garb was
the customary dress of many respectable, law-abiding British
subjects. They accepted the statement, as diplomatically bound,
but retain their private opinion to this day. The English tourist
they have grown accustomed to; but a Leicestershire gentleman,
invited to hunt with some German officers, on appearing outside his
hotel, was promptly marched off, horse and all, to explain his
frivolity at the police court."