Black Tie Combinations

[Father Bill]

Ye' know...

... I haven't worn ties with even my most formal Highland Dress, or anything else in years!



(Sorry, just trying to lighten things up for a moment.)

[Blaidd]

No apology needed from my court, no animosity intended either. How can we argue with such perfect neck wear! Nice ribbons btw

[Steve Ashton]

Ah, that terminology thing again.

The word Celt does not mean a people or a culture.

Celt is a language thing. It means someone who speaks one of the Celtic languages.

The Hallstatt peoples were Celts as were the La Tene. The Celts were called Gauls by the Romans and are who sacked Rome.

The people who spoke one of the Celtic languages and did the intertwinned knot art are totally different and separated by time and place from those who built the circles of stones.

So technically using the word Celt to refer to a people or a culture would be about as wrong as saying that all who speak English are English.

[Steve Ashton]

Hey Father Bill, You've got your collar on upside down again.

[Blaidd]

Ah, that terminology thing again.

The word Celt does not mean a people or a culture.

Celt is a language thing. It means someone who speaks one of the Celtic languages.

The Hallstatt peoples were Celts as were the La Tene. The Celts were called Gauls by the Romans and are who sacked Rome.

The people who spoke one of the Celtic languages and did the intertwinned knot art are totally different and separated by time and place from those who built the circles of stones.

So technically using the word Celt to refer to a people or a culture would be about as wrong as saying that all who speak English are English.

Ond dyna'r peth, dw i'n siarad un. But as I said, tongue in cheek and to be honest, VERY UK humour based. No offence intended. After all terminology.. USA and UK... 2 countries divided by the same language 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[FossilHunter]

Ond dyna'r peth, dw i'n siarad un. But as I said, tongue in cheek and to be honest, VERY UK humour based. No offence intended. After all terminology.. USA and UK... 2 countries divided by the same language 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Google has an additional, alternative definition of:

"A native of any of the modern nations or regions in which Celtic languages are (or were until recently) spoken; a person of Irish, Highland Scottish, Manx, Welsh, or Cornish descent."

[Liam]

My version of Black tie...

[McMurdo]

I think the open tops of ghillies and buckle shoes go well well with patterned hose (argyle and diced).

Are your buckle brogues the ones from thistle shoes?

My Buckle Brogues are from Kiltie, I purchased them on eBay I'd say 10 years or so ago I just recently replaced the buckles with this pair I also found on eBay

[OC Richard]

I take the long view on things, due to being a collector of vintage images and catalogues.

Our modern/current traditional Highland Dress evolved in the early years of the 20th century.

I don't see the categories discussed above, "black tie" and "white tie", being mentioned, either in the 1920s or in the 1950s.

What they do talk about is "evening dress". They show it worn with black tie or lace jabot. The jackets aren't necessarily black- they can be dark blue or dark green.

Sporrans are sealskin with silver fittings.

Hose are tartan or diced.

Shoes have buckles.

There is much talk of "should" and "must" and "correct" back then, words we avoid today.

Here's the most detailed discussion of formal dress I can find



Note here the mention of jabot, black tie, and white tie



Here's the rest of the Evening Dress outfit





IMHO plain hose, ordinary ghillies, hunting sporrans, and other such Day Dress items aren't idiomatic for Evening Dress.

[FossilHunter]

My Buckle Brogues are from Kiltie, I purchased them on eBay I'd say 10 years or so ago I just recently replaced the buckles with this pair I also found on eBay

Is kiltie a defunct brand? I couldn’t find much about them online. There are some children’s buckle brogues made by kiltie on the uk ebay though.