untraditional traditions

[Alan H]

Not to everyones taste for sure, But as we say in the motorcycle biz, there's a seat for every butt.

Courtmount, after having read dozens of your didactic and uncompromising posts about what is and is not proper Highland wear, I think we would all like to see some photographic evidence of your own sartorial splendor.

I second that notion.

On a related topic....

I no longer post in the "Traditional Wear" forum. I don't even read it. I stay out because I know that I will only get angry and upset at the opinions and attitudes expressed there. The men and women who post there are absolutely entitled to their opinions. You bet. But I know that in some cases those opinions will aggravate and annoy me. In light of my own peace of mind as well as the enjoyment of the forum by myself and others, I simply don't view the forum at all.

Why some people cannot do the same for this forum, is beyond me.

And on yet ANOTHER related topic....

I am bemused at the fact that the overwhelming majority of the posts in this thread, which is in the contemporary kilt forum, in fact have to do with tartan kilts. "It's as if "Contemporary Kilt Wear" has changed from meaning a Utilikilt or Freedom Kilt or Alphakilt, to meaning "wearing a traditional kilt in a different-from-traditional manner."

We discuss whether it's proper to wear a hat, and precisely what kind of hat, with your 8-yard kilt, here. Sure, there are posts which are exceptions to this. There is a post about Howie's contemporary kilts. There's one picture of a Utilikilt. But the OVERWHELMING majority of discussion is about "slightly non-traditional ways to wear a traditional kilt."

This is a significant change from the climate in X Marks from, say two years ago.

[Alan H]

I am wrong in one point. This is the "modern kilt wear" forum, not the "contemporary kilt" forum. That may be a significant point, or not. I'm not sure.

However, of one thing I am sure. At one point I felt that X Marks exhibited a balance between the "tartan kilt with Scottish Heritage".. and the "Modern Kilt" as primarily exemplified by the Utilikilt, Freedom Kilt, R-Kilt, X-Kilt and so on.

That balance has shifted, drastically, and is no longer roughly 50/50. It's much closer to 80/20 now, with the 80 representing the "Tartan kilt". This thread is the perfect example of that change.

Good, bad, whatever, I make no judgement call on that. But it IS a change.

[macwilkin]

I second that notion.

On a related topic....

I no longer post in the "Traditional Wear" forum. I don't even read it. I stay out because I know that I will only get angry and upset at the opinions and attitudes expressed there. The men and women who post there are absolutely entitled to their opinions. You bet. But I know that in some cases those opinions will aggravate and annoy me. In light of my own peace of mind as well as the enjoyment of the forum by myself and others, I simply don't view the forum at all.

Why some people cannot do the same for this forum, is beyond me.

And on yet ANOTHER related topic....

I am bemused at the fact that the overwhelming majority of the posts in this thread, which is in the contemporary kilt forum, in fact have to do with tartan kilts. "It's as if "Contemporary Kilt Wear" has changed from meaning a Utilikilt or Freedom Kilt or Alphakilt, to meaning "wearing a traditional kilt in a different-from-traditional manner."

We discuss whether it's proper to wear a hat, and precisely what kind of hat, with your 8-yard kilt, here. Sure, there are posts which are exceptions to this. There is a post about Howie's contemporary kilts. There's one picture of a Utilikilt. But the OVERWHELMING majority of discussion is about "slightly non-traditional ways to wear a traditional kilt."

This is a significant change from the climate in X Marks from, say two years ago.

Then report the thread to the Moderators and ask them to move it to a more appropriate forum, Allen.

T.

[Whidbey78]

Alan H,

Maybe there needs to be a more accurate title for the forum.

On my browser it says "Modern Kilt Wear The place for discussion about the ways the kilt is being worn today. (Basically from the mid 1980's to today.)"

The title "Modern Kilt Wear" implies modern ways of wearing a kilt, not specifically modern styles of kilts.

"The place for discussion about the ways the kilt is being worn today" does not specify modern style kilts, just modern ways of wearing it, which is what this thread is about.

Perhaps there should be forum just for modern kilt styles and one for modern wearing of kilts in general.

Can't we all just get along??

[Alan H]

Then report the thread to the Moderators and ask them to move it to a more appropriate forum, Allen.

T.

No, I don't think it's in the wrong forum, Todd. I just think that over time, the thinking about what is/is not "contemporary" has changed. X Marks has changed. Good, bad, whatever, it's just changed.

If this was the "Utilikilt forum" then...yeah, I'd report it.

Besides, I HATE...hate, hate, hate whining to the mods. I never, ever, ever do it.

[dutchy kilted]

"Can't we all just get along??"

Why would we want to? If we all got along I would never have known the wonder of Rocky's caual kilts, or connected so many other UK wearers, or learned about all the wonderful and different styles/tartans/makers of kilts. As long as the discussions are respectful, it is like one long night at your favorite pub having a firiendly (kilted) arguement over a pint!

[Whidbey78]

Wow...the getting along thing was mainly sarcasm. I agree that we don't and should not have to. Maybe "agree to disagree" is more applicable.

I understand that this is basically a re-titled forum so some go with the current title and description and others for the old one. I don't see why both couldn't go in here. I suggested a separate forum for modern style kilts earlier, but in retrospect I think that segregating the discussions into such narrow topics would make it all bland and the whole thing would "dry up and die" pretty quickly.

And I agree that some conflict is good as it brings up good info, interesting topics and might from time to time influence someone to try something new. We're all here to share ideas and thoughts and narrowing the topics won't really do that.

Alan H has a poll going now to gage the current, past and future interests of members...sort of a kiltie census. I'm very interested in seeing the end result as so far the posts have been interesting.

And if those with a continued interest in contemporary modern kilts are shown to be a minority then they should be posting in the same forums as everyone else, lest they just become bored, cooped up, frustrated, and leave.

Beisides, I still haven't finished my x-kilt yet and I might have questions!!

[Alan H]

I understand that this is basically a re-titled forum so some go with the current title and description and others for the old one. I don't see why both couldn't go in here. I suggested a separate forum for modern style kilts earlier, but in retrospect I think that segregating the discussions into such narrow topics would make it all bland and the whole thing would "dry up and die" pretty quickly.

I completely agree, both styles can be discussed here. It only requires some sensitivity and judgment from the participants. If you see a thread, or a topic within a thread that you (or I, or anyone) cannot reply to constructively, then move on to the next thread. It's simple common sense and courtesy.

Alan H has a poll going now to gage the current, past and future interests of members...sort of a kiltie census. I'm very interested in seeing the end result as so far the posts have been interesting.

But I started that poll because of something that YOU brought up. I, too will be interested in what it shows.

And if those with a continued interest in contemporary modern kilts are shown to be a minority then they should be posting in the same forums as everyone else, lest they just become bored, cooped up, frustrated, and leave.

Beisides, I still haven't finished my x-kilt yet and I might have questions!!

[Whidbey78]

[QUOTE=Alan H;885543]I completely agree, both styles can be discussed here. It only requires some sensitivity and judgment from the participants. If you see a thread, or a topic within a thread that you (or I, or anyone) cannot reply to constructively, then move on to the next thread. It's simple common sense and courtesy. QUOTE]

If the sensitivity and constructive part applies to me, then I apologize. I hope you don't get the idea that I was telling you that your point was invalid...I was simply stating that the title and description for this forum is a bit vague. It obviously doesn't say that it is for a specific style of kilt or a specific method of wearing it. On the other hand it doesn't really say that it isn't.

I agree whole-heartedly that there are a few who go on and on as if they are the finest example of a man wearing a kilt and that they do it exactly right...hopefully I don't come across as one of those. I have my style, which is moderately contemporary and will pass on my ideas and opinions, but with full aknowledgement of the fact that I am not a pure traditionalist(I like the term Neo-Traditionalis) and do things my own way while maintaining the spirit of traditional dress(albiet sometimes in flip flops).

I expected some heat for stating what I see coming down the road in the next decade or so. Didn't expect a firestorm.

I think that this thread has gotten WAAAAAY off topic...I cannot say that I don't share a great deal of the blame for that, though I was actually trying to get it on-topic. So much for that. It has started a few interesting discussions and ponderings though.

[Jock Scot]

I think this has been a most illuminating thread.