I hope I don't upset the rabble to much that it disrupts the conversation. I have never seen a kilted item on this forum that I hated. Sporrans, kilt pins, hose and on and on. This buckle brogue thing just turns my stomach. I HATE them! It boggles my mind how so many here prefer them to ghillie brogues. The bad taste might be that my town here in New England has a thong called Olde Sturbridge Village and they reproduce the colonial days of old America and these shoes just smack of the pilgrim look rounded buckle or not.