Post Your Granted, Assumed or Desired Arms

[Harold Cannon]

MOR you are awesome! Thanks a whole bunch!!!! I want the livery to stay gold and black so I will leave that the way it is. I will add the part about the claws and teeth too.
Please tell me what you think.


ARMS: Or a bear rampant Sable fangs bared, armed, langued, and pizzled Gules, brandishing a basket-hilted sword proper on a chief Gules three Maltese crosses Argent all within a bordure counter-changed in chief.

CREST: [On a wreath of Or and Sable] Upon a grassy mound a bear statant erect supporting a Lochaber axe with his forepaws, his right hind foot resting upon a boulder all proper.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

MOR you are awesome! Thanks a whole bunch!!!! I want the livery to stay gold and black so I will leave that the way it is. I will add the part about the claws and teeth too.
Please tell me what you think.


ARMS: Or a bear rampant Sable fangs bared, armed, langued, and pizzled Gules, brandishing a basket-hilted sword proper on a chief Gules three Maltese crosses Argent all within a bordure counter-changed in chief.

CREST: [On a wreath Or and Sable] Upon a grassy mound a bear statant erect supporting a Lochaber axe with his forepaws, his right hind foot resting upon a boulder all proper.

Harold, thanks for the kind words.

I think the arms and crest work very well. I should point out, however, that the use of a bordure as a sub-ordinary charge (not a mark of cadency) is highly unusual, especially in Scottish heraldry; indeed I am of the opinion that it is the present practice of the Lord Lyon to only grant bordures as a mark of cadency.

Certainly the arms are every bit as striking without the bordure, and the same visual effect could be achieved by using a tressure counter changed which would allow future generations to be represented by bordures as marks of cadency. This change of charges is entirely your call.

As I have said elsewhere, at the end of the day you are the only person who has to be happy with these arms.

[davidlpope]

MOR you are awesome! Thanks a whole bunch!!!! I want the livery to stay gold and black so I will leave that the way it is. I will add the part about the claws and teeth too.
Please tell me what you think.


ARMS: Or a bear rampant Sable fangs bared, armed, langued, and pizzled Gules, brandishing a basket-hilted sword proper on a chief Gules three Maltese crosses Argent all within a bordure counter-changed in chief.

CREST: [On a wreath of Or and Sable] Upon a grassy mound a bear statant erect supporting a Lochaber axe with his forepaws, his right hind foot resting upon a boulder all proper.

Just a suggestion:

What about:

Or a bear rampant Sable brandishing a basket-hilted sword Proper and on a chief Azure three Maltese crosses Or

It's a bit simpler, but still retains enough in common with the chiefly MacMillan arms to show an obvious connection...

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Just a suggestion:

What about:

Or a bear rampant Sable brandishing a basket-hilted sword Proper and on a chief Azure three Maltese crosses Or

It's a bit simpler, but still retains enough in common with the chiefly MacMillan arms to show an obvious connection...

I think this is a reasonable suggestion, but to truly "tie in" to the chiefly arms of MacMillan either the crosses or the bear (or both) would have to be changed to reflect a sense of the continuity of clanship and community:

(1) or a bear rampant sable etc. [and] on a chief gules three mullets argent

(2) or a lion rampant sable etc. [and] on a chief gules three Maltese crosses argent.

A closer connection to the chiefly arms would, as you have pointed out, be achieved if the chief were azure, and doubly so if the argent Maltese crosses were replaced by three mullets of the same tincture.

[WVHighlander]

Scott,

Hey, he is a "Bad News Bear" he has to have an attitude. Besides to traditional meanings of a bear in heraldry which apply to my particular military career and my family's philosophy it is a sly hommage to my beloved better half. As the joke throughout the family goes the rules of the house are

1. Don't Wake the Bear
2. Feed the Bear
3. Don't poke (tickle) the Bear

And yes she is the Bear. LOL

I am liking this design much better than others I have toyed with. So we will see. Of course my hope of hopes is to get a CoA officially from Lord Lyon or the College of Arms, that order of preference. (No offense to my English cousins.)

[Chas]

Hi John,

I really should have checked this forum first, before I foolishly spent the morning devising four possible new crests. I now see that you have Mr MacMillan on the case. I am quite sure that he will be able to give you more than enough advice.

I have no problem with you personally, John, but I have been able to answer for myself quite adequately for at least the last 40 years. Especially posts that are addressed to me. I have never felt the need nor the desire, to have others speak for me.

Respectfully

Chas

[WVHighlander]

Chas,

I am sorry you felt as if time was wasted. I was in all honesty looking forward to you post this morning. In fact, I just got from a very long night of work to check and see what you had come up with.

As a student and an instructor for the better part of a decade I pride myself in being able to garner lessons from different people. It is my opinion that the different view points combined inevitably provide the best solution.

Again, I look forward to hearing from you if its your druthers and do not take offense at my banter back and forth with MoR. He has a wicked sense of humor as, unfortunately, I do myself. His I am sure is genetic enforced by living with the Irish as is mine compounded by almost 20 years in the military.

Again I do hope to hear from you and see what you have created.

Most Respectfully,

JC