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12th December 11, 11:29 AM
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Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
The problem with a term like gentleman is that it has evolved in meaning over centuries from someone who could live independently from an income derived from landholding in early modern Europe to evolving codes of socially perceptive and considerate behaviour.
Whee! I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. I've known good and decent men who would take great offense to being labeled as gentlemen. To them, that word means someone who is rich, a bit of a dandy, who has never done an honest day's work in his life. To others, it may simply mean a polite person who is of decent and moral character. The word gentleman is just one of those words which, as you said, has evolved over the centuries, and has many different connotations.
There were certainly some "gentlemen" in past centuries who may have been rich but were absolutely lacking in morals or courteous behaviour. Just as there are some "gentlemen" today who are dirt-poor but are honest, chivalrous, and upstanding. And what's interesting is that the definition of a gentleman doesn't seem to necessarily be split by nationality (unlike many of the other words we often find have completely different meanings between the UK and USA). It seems to have different definitions across society, even amongst people of the same social station. 'Twould make for a very interesting sociological study, I think!
One might even make the case that it's tied to the cultural sense of honour, which is equally ambiguous across social strata. Whilst one man may consider himself a gentleman, defending his honour, by engaging in a fist-fight or a duel over a slight verbal insult, another man may consider it most ungentlemanly and dishonourable to do so. And these fellows could even live in the same town. It just depends on how they were raised, what they believe, and how they view the world.
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12th December 11, 11:54 AM
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Re: The Rules of the Gentleman
 Originally Posted by Tobus
Whee! I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. I've known good and decent men who would take great offense to being labeled as gentlemen. To them, that word means someone who is rich, a bit of a dandy, who has never done an honest day's work in his life. To others, it may simply mean a polite person who is of decent and moral character. The word gentleman is just one of those words which, as you said, has evolved over the centuries, and has many different connotations.
There were certainly some "gentlemen" in past centuries who may have been rich but were absolutely lacking in morals or courteous behaviour. Just as there are some "gentlemen" today who are dirt-poor but are honest, chivalrous, and upstanding. And what's interesting is that the definition of a gentleman doesn't seem to necessarily be split by nationality (unlike many of the other words we often find have completely different meanings between the UK and USA). It seems to have different definitions across society, even amongst people of the same social station. 'Twould make for a very interesting sociological study, I think!
One might even make the case that it's tied to the cultural sense of honour, which is equally ambiguous across social strata. Whilst one man may consider himself a gentleman, defending his honour, by engaging in a fist-fight or a duel over a slight verbal insult, another man may consider it most ungentlemanly and dishonourable to do so. And these fellows could even live in the same town. It just depends on how they were raised, what they believe, and how they view the world.
I agree with most of what you say Tobus, but the class of gentleman who were landowners in early modern Europe and North America (even allowing that some of their number may have been supercilious and arrogant) by and large had a sense of duty and obligation to the common weal or the general good of their society as well as a particular obligation to their tenants and/or economic and social dependents.
They were a distinct group from the grandees or high nobility and often opposed to them politically. The Spanish Hidalgo exemplified by Cervantes Alonso Quixano/Don Quixote is a literary description of such a character. In Scottish History, Andrew Fletcher of Saltoun (1653-1716) would be an example, in England, Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658), or in the early United States, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
Last edited by Peter Crowe; 12th December 11 at 12:18 PM.
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