Sorry to be late to this and revive an older thread, but I felt the need to chime in. I wear 5.11 pants, either long or shorts every day as part of my "work" uniform. My experience with them has been very favorable since the early days of Royal Robbins climbing pants where they originated and were later bought by 5.11. They are usually well made, sturdy and resist stains to a remarkable degree. Are they perfect? nope but what in life is. I signed up for a 5.11 kilt myself partly based on my starting grooving kilt wearing combined with my familiarity with their clothing. your mileage may of course, vary.