Regimental Ties

[Cygnus]

Speaking of the Boy Scouts (of America, in this case), there's a regimental-style tie for them too.

[Thomas H]

Ok that clears it up for me thank you - finely noted - I will not be wearing one of them. which is ok , I did not earn it , I should not wear it .

But I can wear the X marks tie ,

[Chas]

Accidents will always happen and mistakes will be made - That is just life. No man can or should be blamed for not knowing what he doesn't know. I was once given a tie to go with a very smart cream coloured shirt I owned. I wore it for almost a year before finding out it was the Royal Tank Regiment. That was the end of that!

It is when people do know and don't care, that the damage is done. Because the question is then 'Where will it end?' If it becomes acceptable to wear a tie to which one is not entitled, is it then also acceptable to wear military medals, to which one is not entitled? If a person was not trying to defraud someone, but rather just liked the self-aggrandisement, would it be acceptable to put Phd after their name. I think not.

Regards

Chas

[flairball]

The entire regimental tie issue seems rather arbitrary to me. There are some fashion conventions, and the use of "regimental" or repp ties is one of them. A certain shaped face looks thinner in stripes. Some skin tones look better in certain shades and colors.

Why haven't the regiments take action to actually protect their beloved ties? By comparison the Hells Angel's have gone and patented their logo. They've even written into their charters that only members may wear the logo. See someone wearing something that says Hells Angel's and you are assured they are one. Am I to assume that the Hells Angel's are more organized than the regiments?

[Geoff Withnell]

No, the regiments are just more willing to rely on people's courtesy and good manners

The entire regimental tie issue seems rather arbitrary to me. There are some fashion conventions, and the use of "regimental" or repp ties is one of them. A certain shaped face looks thinner in stripes. Some skin tones look better in certain shades and colors.

Why haven't the regiments take action to actually protect their beloved ties? By comparison the Hells Angel's have gone and patented their logo. They've even written into their charters that only members may wear the logo. See someone wearing something that says Hells Angel's and you are assured they are one. Am I to assume that the Hells Angel's are more organized than the regiments?

[Chas]

Hell's Angel charters overrule the Constitution of the United States of America?

WOW

Regards

Chas

[Jock Scot]

Flairball.

In the UK, even to this day in some measure, the "its just not done" was sufficient to ensure that conventions were adhered to. To go against this "form" was to risk almost certain social suicide. Things are far more relaxed than when I was a wee lad, but I am glad to say that we still adhere to some of our traditions.

It is these traditions and the "social" aspects that many from outwith(and some within these days) the UK find so confusing. Particularly as much of all this was never written down. So the "its just not done Old Boy" was all that was required to keep one on course, if you want to get on in life. Perfect it was/is not, that is for sure and for all sorts of reasons, but the system still works even now, in some ways.

Let me give you a kilt attire example. Many here cannot see any problem whatsoever in wearing a Prince Charlie and black bow tie to a kilted daytime wedding ------and yes, even this happens in parts of Scotland these days--------well, to us old fogies who perhaps had the"advantage"(some might say handicap!) of where we were born and certainly the advantage of growing up within these "social niceties", where wearing such attire to a day time wedding is an absolute no-no and a death sentence socially. OK these days it is not important in the worldwide scheme of things and is probably a total mystery to most here nevertheless these things did give a structure to life and in many ways it is, if I may say so, what society is sadly lacking. Now, I am not saying for one second that we should go back to all that the "old days" had to offer, because a lot of it was nonsense. Nevertheless we would have a much better understanding allround of the dress conventions and a lot less of "I will wear what I want", which would of course, make me redundant here!

[BBNC]

Right on, Jock! There are times when etiquette and social mores outweigh our own personal desires; like the wedding of someone really close to us, and who wishes things done a certain way. I suppose if I were to be called for an audience with the Queen, I might just go to a rental place in the UK, tell them what the occasion is, and allow them to outfit me appropriately, and seek the advice of someone about expected behavior. However, I feel one can be more relaxed if called into the Oval Office at the White House to see the President. I certainly would not want to be dressed better than the President is, at the time. Fortunately for me, neither event is likely to ever happen, and my daughter is already married.

A little story: We were invited, while on vacation, to attend the wedding of my niece. I was told by the bride's mother the attire was casual, as it was being held outdoors. So I showed up in dress trousers and a nice shirt. Turned out, I was the only one not wearing a jacket and tie. I've often wondered why I've been banned by that side of the family, LOL!

[Macman]

Seems we have a difference then between Scottish and Canadian practice. I don't think there's an order of dress in the Highland regiments in which a tartan or regimental striped tie is worn; at least I've not seen such.

Richard, the picture was a surprise to me! Back in my day (40 years ago) we wore khaki ties. I'd never seen (or maybe it had never registered) a tartan tie in uniform before. I'm acquainted with the man in the photo - I'll have to get the scoop from him!

[Holcombe Thomas]

A good number of years ago, I made the same mistake Geoff made. I wore a nice, striped tie to an ANZAC Day ceremony in New Zealand and was asked when I had served in the regiment. (I believe it was the Coldstream Guards.) My American accent and immediate apology prevented any particular unpleasantness and my interlocutor was quite nice about it. I think he was surprised that I simply didn't know. I never wore that tie again and have developed a distinct aversion to striped ties, save those from institutions with which I have a connection.

And, Jock, where I grew up, a tuxedo isn't proper for a daytime wedding either.

Holcombe