Tried my hand at a Standard

[saharris]

So, Clan Cochrane doesn't have a Standard...

I might only comment that the standard is not that of "Clan Cochrane" but rather of The Rt. Hon. Iain Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald.

[creagdhubh]

I might only comment that the standard is not that of "Clan Cochrane" but rather of The Rt. Hon. Iain Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald.

Quite right.

[WVHighlander]

I might only comment that the standard is not that of "Clan Cochrane" but rather of The Rt. Hon. Iain Cochrane, Earl of Dundonald.

Sorry slip of the key stroke....yes it is Lord Dundonald's Standard and it is very honorable that he is allowing his Commissioners a hand in designing it...once approved and registered it can then be used a HQ flag at the games.

[David Thorpe]

Is it proper to fly his standard when he is not actually in attendance? This is not a "loaded question". I do not know the answer.

[davidlpope]

Is it proper to fly his standard when he is not actually in attendance? This is not a "loaded question". I do not know the answer.

No. A pinsel may sometimes be authorized for use when the clan chief is not personally present, but the standard should indicate the presence of the armiger.

[Downunder Kilt]

From the Clans2014.com website
http://www.clans2014.com/clan-herald...r-and-display/

[WVHighlander]

No. A pinsel may sometimes be authorized for use when the clan chief is not personally present, but the standard should indicate the presence of the armiger.

Actually...according to the Lyon's website:

"This is a long, narrow tapering flag, granted by the Lord Lyon only to those who have a "following", such as Clan Chiefs, because it is a 'Headquarters' flag. It is used to mark the assembly point or Headquarters of the Clan or following, and does not necessarily denote the presence of the Standard's owner as the personal banner does."

So a Lt. or Commissioner representing the Chief and Clan could use it at their tent.. This is not to be confused with a personal banner which (also according to Lyon)

"This is often wrongly called a "Standard" (see para. 17 below) and is the personal flag of the owner of a coat of arms (an "armiger"). It shows his personal coat of arms granted to him by the Lord Lyon or inherited in right of an ancestor, and protected to him by the Law of Scotland. The coat of arms fills the banner right to its edges, as though it were a rectangular shield. It is quite wrong to use a banner of a plain colour with the owner’s arms on a shield in the middle. This would mean that the owner’s arms were of that colour with a lithe inescutcheon In the centre. Nor should the external "additaments" be shown, ie. helmet, mantling, crest, motto and supporters. Its purpose is the location and identification of its owner, and it Is the visual equivalent of his name. No one else may use it."

[Downunder Kilt]

Actually...according to the Lyon's website:

"This is a long, narrow tapering flag, granted by the Lord Lyon only to those who have a "following", such as Clan Chiefs, because it is a 'Headquarters' flag. It is used to mark the assembly point or Headquarters of the Clan or following, and does not necessarily denote the presence of the Standard's owner as the personal banner does."

So a Lt. or Commissioner representing the Chief and Clan could use it at their tent..[/I]

I would be very carefull of proclaiming a clan society tent as the "Clans headquarters" unless the Chief was present or one was in possession of a document from the Chief declaring on that day, that nowhere else in the world was to be flying the Standard. It would be most embarrassing if two standards where flying the same day, say one at the chiefs residence and the other outside a clan tent at a highland games

From my reading of the Lyons notes, it is a standard to mark the headquarters of the clan (as a whole) not the flag to mark the the societies headquarters/rallying point for the day. Certainly if the Chief is present he can declare wherever he wants the HQ to be and for how long

[WVHighlander]

...but wouldn't the Chief be flying his Banner from his residence?? However, it does state that the Chief need not be present....

But I see from both the Lyon's website and the one you listed earlier where the Pinsel is used to denote a Clan site...