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16th March 13, 05:05 PM
#41
Bren; I own over 200 books on Egyptology, written by many eminent Egyptologists, Nicholas Reeves, Toby Wilkerson, Kent Weeks, Aidan Dodson and many others such as Rosalie David. You can rest assured that there was never any commerce between the Americas and ancient Egypt.
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16th March 13, 05:21 PM
#42
 Originally Posted by sailortats
Bren; I own over 200 books on Egyptology, written by many eminent Egyptologists, Nicholas Reeves, Toby Wilkerson, Kent Weeks, Aidan Dodson and many others such as Rosalie David. You can rest assured that there was never any commerce between the Americas and ancient Egypt.
Phoenicians somewhere in the process, maybe?
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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16th March 13, 10:11 PM
#43
 Originally Posted by Singlemalt
And the USA is only the second biggest country in North America 
The biggest is Texas?
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17th March 13, 03:10 AM
#44
Phil, I totally overlooked that! I was looking at your profile a while back and now recall that you are into Ancient Egypt.
Fascinating stuff!
The the chap who raised the original topic about Egypt and copper trade with the Americas, I must apologise if I seemed to be badgering. That was not my intention. I have a huge problem with unmerited historical revision and I tend to get my dander up from time-to-time.
Speaking of "out-there" history, here's a classic that has been mulled over a lot over the years. I haven't ever visited but it looks intriguing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport...(Rhode_Island)
One theory suggests that it was built by Scottish Templars in the 1300s led by Henry Sinclair. I dunno...I'm not convincd but some people are.
The Official [BREN]
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18th March 13, 02:26 AM
#45
 Originally Posted by TheOfficialBren
The the chap who raised the original topic about Egypt and copper trade with the Americas, I must apologise if I seemed to be badgering. That was not my intention. I have a huge problem with unmerited historical revision and I tend to get my dander up from time-to-time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport...(Rhode_Island)
One theory suggests that it was built by Scottish Templars in the 1300s led by Henry Sinclair. I dunno...I'm not convincd but some people are.
While I'll admit I found some comments needlessly snide, rude, condescending, and dismissive, I have dealt with that before. Overlooked among friends and in the interest of good exchange. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I've learned from some unlikely looking folk. No one is required to agree with me, those who know me generally find it highly probable I've good reason to make a statement. YMMV. On the other hand, being willing to chance being wrong has led to good learning. I would say I know of no subject about which I think I know enough.
It has been my experience most unmerited historical revision has been done by those creating the "official" version of events, often necessary to secure tenure, patronage, funding,and the like. I prefer what really happened, as close as can be figured. As I said, talking with researchers I have been told (especially about Egypt) that one's research can be summarily barred, banned, or seriously redacted. On occasion published elsewhere under someone else's name.
Please note that I never attempted to make a case for protracted commerce over centuries. I can't always explain how something happened, but find the attempt intriguing and entertaining. I enjoy finding the holes in the lectures of experts, and connecting them with the research of others that intersects with theirs. I will say I am much better received by them than I am here. People who really know their field tend to be more interested in how I made an observation or had enough knowledge to ask such a question than in stepping on my toes. Often it's just being in the room with them and getting an intuitive hit on their feelings of uncertainty about a statement they've made. Other times it's just a lucky intersection of broader interests. I should point out that I don't challenge them
in public; their lecture, their event. I wait until I can speak with them alone. Better results, more information. I like information.
As to the link to the Newport tower, it would appear (to me only) that Henry Sinclair would not have built that. Standing in Rosslyn Chapel, built not THAT long after him, there's no comparison in the stonework. It might be worth a gander at the Five Arches Gate in Tenby, Wales, built about 1385-1400. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tenby2560lg.JPGa Close enough for the period, but I think he had access to better stonemasons. Although that far from home, necessity makes do. Not claiming he made the trip, just thinking out loud. Almost certainly, given his relatives, his rank, and position, he could have had exposure to earlier trips here by others for guidance or reference, but I know of no actual proof he was here. May exist; haven't seen it. The carvings in Rosslyn certainly appeared to me to depict corn, but many demur. The number of sites on this continent where runes have been found, and their disparate times and locations, would seem to require multiple trips by several leaders, whose logs and diaries might have reached him. No opinion there.
To get closer to the OP, does anyone have a better pic of the white hose worn by the knight? Did they go well with his horse's shoes? Were his descendents able to pay his parking fees?
Last edited by tripleblessed; 18th March 13 at 02:59 AM.
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1st July 13, 02:24 PM
#46
Well, a bit late, but
It was Henry Sinclair who may/may not have made it to the New World before 1400.
It was William Sinclair who built Rosslyn Chapel.
If I remember right, William Sinclair was Henry's grandson.
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1st July 13, 05:37 PM
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Corn, though unusual To find in the old world, was brought back to Europe in the late 15th century, I believe.
When reading historical accounts, however, we must be careful not to confuse 'corn' with 'maize' (what we NOW call corn). In the past, 'corn' referred to livestock grain (oats, for example). Now, we use the word to exclusively refer to maize.
Here's some idle speculation for you: might carvings be added later to spruice up an otherwise drab space? Maybe the funding wasn't immediately available so the financiers planned for the future. Think about this. You purchase a nice home. A few years later, you add a deck and a hot tub.
The Official [BREN]
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