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26th March 13, 06:40 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by saharris
Very nice! but I don't understand the use of "cantoned" in the blazon... ???
It means "set between" and is usually applied to a cross set between four objects. Since the shake fork creates three "compartments" it is said to be cantoned between the chief and the dexter and sinister flanks.
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27th March 13, 07:10 AM
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 Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
It means "set between" and is usually applied to a cross set between four objects. Since the shake fork creates three "compartments" it is said to be cantoned between the chief and the dexter and sinister flanks.
Couldn't it be left out? Wouldn't "Argent, a shake-fork Sable between in chief a cogwheel and in each flank a four-bladed propeller Gules" be the same?
Stìophan, Clann Mhic Leòid na Hearadh
Steven, Clan MacLeod of Harris
Dandelion Pursuivant of Arms
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27th March 13, 07:20 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by saharris
Couldn't it be left out? Wouldn't "Argent, a shake-fork Sable between in chief a cogwheel and in each flank a four-bladed propeller Gules" be the same?
I would have thought so.
Regards
Chas
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27th March 13, 03:42 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by saharris
Couldn't it be left out? Wouldn't "Argent, a shake-fork Sable between in chief a cogwheel and in each flank a four-bladed propeller Gules" be the same?
Since this is a legal document issued by the Court of the Lord Lyon, I suspect that the word cantoned appears in the blazon for the explicit reason of disambiguation. In other words, it's all about the legal precision of the language used in the blazon as it relates to the position of the major and minor charges, Lyon's language being more precise than a blazon that omits the word 'cantoned'.
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30th April 13, 02:41 AM
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I posted my grant in the closed thread. One can see my arms and crest in my avatar. "Ermine on a chevron vert between two swords in saltire points upward proper pommels and hilts or and in base a dexter hand fessways couped at the wrist also proper holding a cross crosslet fitchee gules, a sun in splendor gold." CREST: "A lion passant guardant or." MOTTO: "Mar a chuirtear bainfear." (Gaelic, It is taken as given, i.e. Reap what you sow.) The crest wreath are of the liveries vert & white (not argent), manteling is "gules doubled argent." Date of 31 July 1992, Vol.X, folio 33, Chief Herald of Ireland.
The surname was changed from O'Bryan to Bryant on immigration to Colorado from Canada by my 2nd great-grandfather, who's parents came from County Clare, Ireland, to Canada about 1830. Since the surname is different from the Chief of the O'Brien Clan, my arms are not based on those, but my arms do have elements of the ancient O'Brien arms (a dexter forearm holding a sword in pale), and the lion passant guardant for my crest is from the modern arms. Personaly I served in two branches of the U.S. military (active duty in Air Force during Vietnam) and Army National Guard later. I also am a former Olympic style fencing coach teaching youth. For the grant I instructed to have the swords drawn in the style of the Portglenone or ring pommel/hillt sword unique to Ireland.
The hand holding a cross crosslet fitchee is said to traditonally have been the symbol of the Kindred of St. Columcille of Iona. My mother's ancestry is from Glenveagh, Donegal, about ten miles west of the birthplace of St. Columcille. Two of the charges on the Donegal County arms is a cross crosslet fitchee on a shield of ermine.
The green chevron is for Ireland, and the sun is a canting charge to alude to my wife's surname of Day.
Ireland grants badges to the grantee but not to his descendants. I assumed a badge (since all armigers are entiled to a badge) of a Columbine flower that has a billet between each of its five petals. When looking down at a columbine flower it looks like a five pointed star. The state flower of Colorado is the Columbine, which is named after St. Columcille, it is also etched on the tombstone of my 2nd great-grandfather. The five billets represent the five generations between myself and the immigrant, it also is in remeberance of the sidewalk of silver bricks that were laid out in front of Colorado's Central City's Teller Hotel for the visit of U.S. Pres. Ulysses S. Grant to walk on from his carriage to the hotel door during his visit in 1872/3. The silver bricks were made by William O'Bryan/Bryant.
My purpose for a grant from Ireland is that it was confirming my Irish birthright that was taken away from me when the surname was changed.
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31st July 13, 09:39 PM
#6
Mr.Cannon,what do all those symbols at the bottom of the first picture of your arms mean?
Thank-you and stand sure,
Ethan Walling
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18th August 13, 11:32 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by Ethanintn
Mr.Cannon,what do all those symbols at the bottom of the first picture of your arms mean?
Those are Harold's various badges, which can be seen in the fly of his standard right below the first image. Most people, if they have a badge at all, will only have one badge. IIRC Harold chose to create a series of badges, each to be used in specific context (e.g. one for clan affiliated activities, one for his firefighter work, etc.).
 Originally Posted by Harold Cannon
Kenneth Mansfield
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My tartan quilt: Austin, Campbell, Hamilton, MacBean, MacFarlane, MacLean, MacRae, Robertson, Sinclair (and counting)
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22nd January 14, 07:13 PM
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Cardinal's Assumed Arms
Fellow XMarker Harold Cannon just did a super coat of arms for me—I cannot recommend him highly enough! He is easy to work with, reasonably priced, extremely knowledgeable about the rules of heraldry, and as you can see, produces a superior product. As a bonus, I caught him during a slow period, and so he was fast as well!
I am so happy with his work that I have changed my username, from Troglodyte to Cardinal.
Here’s what we came up with:
SYMBOLISM
ARMS:
The dominant colors of red, white, and blue represent both the United States of America and the 82nd Airborne Division, where I last commanded a unit in battle.
The livery colors of an armiger are represented by a wreath which crowns the helmet and are derived from the first named color and metal in the blazon. My livery colors are blue and white, which are also the colors of the U.S. Army Infantry.
Furze is the plant badge of my clan, Clan MacLennan, and its golden blossoms represent my five daughters. They are protected between two silver barrulets representing God and my country, and the strength I draw from them.
My three decades as a soldier are represented by a red wyvern, the violent creature that serves as the crest to the arms of my home regiment, the 508th Parachute Infantry. My military career at an end, this wyvern stands to the side as an augmentation of honor on a gold canton, put away for now, but ready to again do violence if required.
CREST:
The North American cardinal is my wife's favorite bird, and is the state bird of both Virginia, my birth state, and North Carolina, the state where I spent my youth. The cardinal carefully reconnoiters an area before setting down to get food, thinking several steps ahead before acting, which mirrors my lifelong work as a strategist.
MOTTO:
The motto “Spes audaces adjuvat,” or “Hope assists the brave,” answers the motto of Clan MacLennan, “Dum spiro spero,” or “While I breathe, I hope.”
The best advertising being word of mouth, and the second best being a display of handiwork, I think Harold's skills are pretty well advertised here. This is my public thanks to him.
Best,
Patrick
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