I would like to submit a proposal to the membership

[Nathan]

I seriously wonder that if there is confusion between three categories, as at present, there will be even more confusion between five categories as Nathan suggests.

How about just two categories? Trad and modern? The trouble is the smug superiority that attaches to the word Traditionalism.

I post on another messageboard of Christian interest. There can be discussions of the detail of appropriate vestments. These discussions are nothing when it comes to nit picking and dogmatism compared to discussions of kilts here at times.

For me tradition doesn't mean lack of change. It is the means by which change and continuity are held together.

I think "modern" implies that traditional is "old fashioned" and I actually believe you are dead on that it is the means by which change and continuity are held together. That's why I wrote, "now" with due respect given to "then".

People who dress traditionally are not dressing historically. They are dressing traditionally. Which is to say, they are wearing what is seen today as correct -yes, correct - by tradition bearers.

I don't think non-traditional is second class. Given the hostility I'm feeling toward the tradition around here by some, I think the non-traditionalists are quite capable of owning that accurate label. Their clothing is no more modern than mine, it's just less traditional.

[Father Bill]

I think "modern" implies that traditional is "old fashioned" and I actually believe you are dead on that it is the means by which change and continuity are held together. That's why I wrote, "now" with due respect given to "then".

People who dress traditionally are not dressing historically. They are dressing traditionally. Which is to say, they are wearing what is seen today as correct -yes, correct - by tradition bearers.

I don't think non-traditional is second class. Given the hostility I'm feeling toward the tradition around here by some, I think the non-traditionalists are quite capable of owning that accurate label. Their clothing is no more modern than mine, it's just less traditional.

A simple "Aye" isn't nearly strong enough for me on this one. Steve is quite right to stand up for the non-traditionalists, but yes, I detect more than just an undercurrent of hostility against those who seek to be traditional too... whatever those terms may mean!

[Calgacus]

I think "modern" implies that traditional is "old fashioned" and I actually believe you are dead on that it is the means by which change and continuity are held together. That's why I wrote, "now" with due respect given to "then".

People who dress traditionally are not dressing historically. They are dressing traditionally. Which is to say, they are wearing what is seen today as correct -yes, correct - by tradition bearers.

I don't think non-traditional is second class. Given the hostility I'm feeling toward the tradition around here by some, I think the non-traditionalists are quite capable of owning that accurate label. Their clothing is no more modern than mine, it's just less traditional.

Precisely! Well said, Nathan.