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17th June 16, 04:20 AM
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Wow... they didn't work very hard coming up with the design for that New Zealand tartan.
It's Wallace, already one of the simplest tartans, with one line removed, and done in grey-tones.
I was expecting one of the overly-complicated made-by-committee modern tartans with all sorts of symbolic colours... say, a tartan divided into two main sections representing the North and South islands, with a stripe of blue in between, each half including colours representing aspects of each island.
Last edited by OC Richard; 17th June 16 at 04:22 AM.
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17th June 16, 04:43 AM
#22
 Originally Posted by piper909
Well, live and learn! So there IS a NZ tartan. I wish my books were as up to date as this forum.
My grandfather used to say, "If you want to learn how to be a plumber, go to school. If you want to be a plumber, work with one."
We work at all things kilted here on the forum and are glad to have you with us.
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17th June 16, 11:27 AM
#23
 Originally Posted by MacGumerait
The members of this forum are renown for their amazing depth of knowledge. But the thing that has always impressed me is our members respect for other people's Intellectual Property rights.
Randomly searching the web for Tartan you can find many sites. Some make some pretty interesting claims.
But if anyone wishes to search Tartans may I strongly suggest that you go directly to the official source. The Scottish Register of Tartan.
https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/index.aspx
The Scottish Register of Tartan is maintained by The National Records of Scotland.
Begun in 2009 they have their own website. You can search the entire register on line.
You can also find if a particular Tartan design was registered prior to the launch of The Scottish Register of Tartan by either The Scottish Tartans Authority (http://www.tartansauthority.com) or The Scottish Tartan World Registry (http://www.tartans.scotland.net)
The reason I bring this up is that this thread prompted me to go to The Scottish Register of Tartan and look up the New Zealand Tartans linked to above. Imagine my surprise when I found this description for The Pride of New Zealand Tartan.
"Designed by Ivan Coward a bespoke tailor with help from John Clark of Alliance Textiles, Timaru, New Zealand . For use by all New Zealanders with black representing the famous 'All Blacks' rugby team, grey for the multi cultural makeup of the population and the white for the snow of the mountains. License to distribute is held by The Suit Surgeons Ltd, New Zealand."
(The bolding was added by me for emphasis.)
It should be noted that many Tartan designs are under copyright or licence. Some are restricted in other ways such as to be woven only by a particular weaving mill to insure the colors are those specified by the designer.
Many of our members know that our own Tartan - The X Marks the Scot Tartan was designed by our own Matt Newsome and is owned by me as the owner of this forum and restricted to be woven only by Marton Mills to insure the correct coloring.
Many know that The Isle of Skye Tartan is owned, and under patent to, Mrs Rosemary Nicolson Samios.
Among my own designs, The Victoria, City of Gardens Tartan, and The USMC Dress Blue Tartan, are protected under Canadian Copyright. I personally registered The Victoria, City of Gardens Tartan with the Scottish Tartans Authority only to keep those sites who simply copy everything off "The Register" from offering it for sale on their site.
The Scottish Register of Tartan does not always know if a design is under some sort of restriction or protection. They probably do their best but can only publish the information given to them. I guess this could be seen by some as a legal loophole. Websites often do their best to comply with these restrictions or protections but again, they only know what has been supplied to "The Register". Mistakes can happen.
So a word to the wise. If you want the "Official" information on a Tartan, go to the "Official" source.
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17th June 16, 10:56 PM
#24
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
Wow... they didn't work very hard coming up with the design for that New Zealand tartan.
It's Wallace, already one of the simplest tartans, with one line removed, and done in grey-tones.
I was expecting one of the overly-complicated made-by-committee modern tartans with all sorts of symbolic colours... say, a tartan divided into two main sections representing the North and South islands, with a stripe of blue in between, each half including colours representing aspects of each island.
Haaa ! So true Richard . Perhaps it was a very small committee .
Mike Montgomery
Clan Montgomery Society , International
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18th June 16, 06:29 AM
#25
 Originally Posted by Steve Ashton
Designed by Ivan Coward a bespoke tailor with help from John Clark of Alliance Textiles, Timaru, New Zealand . For use by all New Zealanders with black representing the famous 'All Blacks' rugby team, grey for the multi cultural makeup of the population and the white for the snow of the mountains. License to distribute is held by The Suit Surgeons Ltd, New Zealand.
All well and good, but anybody could weave Wallace in grey-tones and it would be pretty much the same.
"Suit Surgeons"? Wow.
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