Identity in the Scottish Diaspora

[neloon]

So, when you do finally control your own Govt., as Alan says you are moving towards, I expect to see all of this exporting kilts/Clan goods and services to come to a screeching halt as most Scots find it to be thievery, or so we are told.

If you do so I'll support your position totally......if not, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

I have not anywhere said we are "moving towards" our own government. (By the way, Q is not a resident of Scotland so it wouldn't be his government)
But, if it happens, why would we stop exporting kilts etc?

Alan

[Reiver]

I have not anywhere said we are "moving towards" our own government. (By the way, Q is not a resident of Scotland so it wouldn't be his government)
But, if it happens, why would we stop exporting kilts etc?

Alan

Sorry, got things mixed up there Govt. wise...... on the other...you are kidding right...you see no connection to the issue here and the decision to economically engage the diaspora as Scots?

e.g. http://www.scotclans.com/

[Jock Scot]

Sorry, got things mixed up there Govt. wise...... on the other...you are kidding right...you see no connection to the issue here and the decision to economically engage the diaspora as Scots?

e.g. http://www.scotclans.com/

Alan must speak for himself, but to answer your question from my perspective then my answer is that I see no connection whatsoever. You will buy from whom you want when you want, from wherever and if you want to buy from Scotland then, you will.

[Reiver]

Alan must speak for himself, but to answer your question from my perspective then my answer is that I see no connection whatsoever. You will buy from whom you want when you want, from wherever and if you want to buy from Scotland then, you will.

Of course you don't....you see no connection between a large local industry, predominantly focused on the diaspora overseas, selling Clan gear to 'Scots'.....and some of the folks that responded to that very aggressive endeavor?

Are ye blind man

[Jock Scot]

Of course you don't....you see no connection between a large local industry, predominantly focused on the diaspora overseas, selling Clan gear to 'Scots'.....and some of the folks that responded to that very aggressive endeavor?

Are ye blind man

The scots have sold goods to the world for ages and if the world wants it then they will buy it. Look at the whisky sales.

[Reiver]

The scots have sold goods to the world and if the world wants it then they will buy it. Look at the whisky sales.

You are losing focus and did not address anything I've said as it pertains to the specific 'selling' of Scots/Clans to the diaspora....if you hit the earlier provided link to a company in Edinburgh it asks you to 'find your Clan'....now, who has a Clan in Scotland? The Pakistani's? No, perhaps the diaspora with the same name.

Here is another avenue that is extremely common...."Come home to Scotland"

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/un...-home-scotland

[Jock Scot]

You are losing focus and did not address anything I've said as it pertains to the specific 'selling' of Scots/Clans to the diaspora....if you hit the earlier provided link to a company in Edinburgh it asks you to 'find your Clan'....now, who has a Clan in Scotland? The Pakistani's? No, perhaps the diaspora with the same name.

Here is another avenue that is extremely common...."Come home to Scotland"

http://www.travelagentcentral.com/un...-home-scotland

It a free world, the trade, any trade, try to sell to the rest of the world and the customer might or might not buy depending on how he/she feels at the time. Its the same the world over.

[The Q]

I have not anywhere said we are "moving towards" our own government. (By the way, Q is not a resident of Scotland so it wouldn't be his government)
But, if it happens, why would we stop exporting kilts etc?

Alan

Though it would be If I moved back to where my parents and sisters (and decendants) live.

[neloon]

Learned a new word today - JOMO - so I'm leaving this thread for some JOMO.
Maybe I'll learn embroidery. Or maybe I'll found the East Aberdeenshire Left Footed Tiddliwinks Association.
Have fun, y'all y'all.

Alan

[The Q]

One of the problems here is the "Export of Scottishness" is done by advertisers who export the most to their advantage, with little regard to the true state of affairs.
The Kilt and most of the culture discussed in these pages is not Scottish but That of the Gaels (not Irish Gaels) who happen to be resident in that part of this country "The United Kingdom of Country Great Britain and Northern Ireland", that is currently called "Scotland".

The Gaelic culture export or tartan, not including solid groups of Gaelic descent such as in Nova Scotia. Is 99% advertising Hype from Scots (or even English) Advertisers not the Gaels themselves.

In reality, central Scotland is little different in culture than say Newcastle in England, 99% all the Tartan manufacture in Scotland is carried out in the central / Southern areas with no connection to the Gaels. Most those tartan and kilt shops down the Royal mile have more relationship to George IV or Pakistan than to the Highlands.

If you go to the Highlands and visit the castles/ monuments most are set up to be more related to the Advertising image, than the reality at the time and certainly not the reality of modern Highland life.

One of the other problems we have in these discussions is that in the UK in polite society, you do not add a racial grouping to the discussion or a person. It would be seen as racial descrimination even if that group uses it. You don't use the N word in the USA public even though some groups people that formerly would have been called that in public, still use it amoungst themselves.

We've had anti Racial-descrimination training here from our American head office. To us however we find the training descriminatory in itself, using such words as Latino- americans etc and pictures carefully staged with one "Asian" one " White European" one " person of another colour"
and finally putting up pictures up of the Statue of liberty when this multi country company of American (mostly ) ownership has people in almost every country of the world.

Oh Anglo-Scot can also mean an English person living in Scotland or a person of mixed English-Scottish parentage almost anywhere in the world