Under Apron On Modern Kilts

[liammaclean]

For me it's not a matter of practicality; I just happen to prefer the style. And I agree that I'd be too worried about flashing my skivvies in the likes of a Utilikilt or 511 (again, not to mention the inner edge getting on my nerves as I walk). But the medium-apron style, which is about 1/3 of the circumference, has never given me that problem. Literally the only time my modesty has been compromised was once when I was "Marilyn Monroed" by a really strong gust of wind...and that was the pleats, not the apron.

Here you can clearly see the difference. On the left is a Utilikilt, while on the right is a utility kilt from Celtic Croft in the same overall style as the UTs that liammaclean is talking about.

Are you saying that the 5.11 is actually worse than the UT Kilt in this arena? I was thinking about picking up a 5.11 as my next kilt, but specifically because I thought it'd be better. My main issue with the UT Kilt was the under apron being difficult to manage when I was sitting on the ground cross legged or on a windy day, and (far less major) the pockets not being able to carry my kindle. But if I'm getting more crotch security with Brice's product I will just snag another, especially given that it's 15 dollars cheaper and comes in tartan.

[Geoff Withnell]

Are you saying that the 5.11 is actually worse than the UT Kilt in this arena? I was thinking about picking up a 5.11 as my next kilt, but specifically because I thought it'd be better. My main issue with the UT Kilt was the under apron being difficult to manage when I was sitting on the ground cross legged or on a windy day, and (far less major) the pockets not being able to carry my kindle. But if I'm getting more crotch security with Brice's product I will just snag another, especially given that it's 15 dollars cheaper and comes in tartan.

I wear both traditional and modern kilts, and I have never had a problem with the 511 TDK.

[DonP]

I think the 5.11 TDK would be improved by making the apron and the under apron wider. That said; the current version is not bad. It's built with a snap to hold the under apron closed. It seems to work well and I don't really have to make any extreme effort to keep from flashing unintenionally.

[mikepalmer]

Are you saying that the 5.11 is actually worse than the UT Kilt in this arena? I was thinking about picking up a 5.11 as my next kilt, but specifically because I thought it'd be better. My main issue with the UT Kilt was the under apron being difficult to manage when I was sitting on the ground cross legged or on a windy day, and (far less major) the pockets not being able to carry my kindle. But if I'm getting more crotch security with Brice's product I will just snag another, especially given that it's 15 dollars cheaper and comes in tartan.

I wear a utility kilt most every day after work and on weekends. The 5.11 is not very modest or practical to sit in even with the modesty snap. I no longer wear the UT because of how much it wrinkles. I prefer to buy used Utilikilts to save $$$. Would love to have one of Steve's custom Kilts made perhaps for my 60th birthday.

[Dollander]

I no longer wear the UT because of how much it wrinkles.

That was my major issue with my black UTs: they're advertised as cotton-poly, but the tag -- and tendency to wrinkle -- indicate that they're 100% cotton, and thus did I prefer the viscose-acetate tartan models (though again, advertised as polyviscose ). I retired the black ones and eventually wound up cannibalizing them for the straps to replace the leather ones on my Sport Kilt so I could put it in the dryer as well as the washer. Of course, now that I finally got around to purchasing some PV fabric, I'll be retiring the tartan UTs as well as my new ones are completed.

[Geoff Withnell]

I wear a utility kilt most every day after work and on weekends. The 5.11 is not very modest or practical to sit in even with the modesty snap. I no longer wear the UT because of how much it wrinkles. I prefer to buy used Utilikilts to save $$$. Would love to have one of Steve's custom Kilts made perhaps for my 60th birthday.

Interesting. I wear the 5.11 fairly frequently, and in the company of my wife. If I were being immodest, she would raise cain with me. And i haven't noticed taking any additional effort to be modest. I wonder what is causing the differing results.

[mikepalmer]

Are you saying that the 5.11 is actually worse than the UT Kilt in this arena? I was thinking about picking up a 5.11 as my next kilt, but specifically because I thought it'd be better. My main issue with the UT Kilt was the under apron being difficult to manage when I was sitting on the ground cross legged or on a windy day, and (far less major) the pockets not being able to carry my kindle. But if I'm getting more crotch security with Brice's product I will just snag another, especially given that it's 15 dollars cheaper and comes in tartan.

The 511 has issues with the front. Great for standing, but a real challenge for sitting. My Utilikilts fall well when sitting. I don't buy UT Kilts because the material wrinkles like crazy even the 50 50 blend. I wish 511 would perfect the apron and add a couple pleats and it would become a great utility kilt at a great price.

[llyd]

I tried on one of the narrow apron things once...then decided to learn to make my own kilts. Can't stand those narrow things.

[macmanjim]

I have a UTKilt standard in black watch I bought this past May. One, it's a little short for me at 22" and when I sit down, it's hard to keep my but covered. Front is ok. The back really needs to be longer than the front and overall, it should be at least 24", for me 25" or a little more would be better. It does wrinkle, but I lay it flat after washing and last time I washed it I ironed it. That helped. It does pill a bit too. That said, it's good for bounce around and yard work for now and I've lost a bunch of weight and it's getting just about loose, so I will have to retire it soon. Thing is, what to get next? I also have a tartan kilt from Heritage of Scotland in Heritage of Scotland and I really like it for how much it didn't cost. I don't use it for when I am doing stuff around the house, but it's more comfortable than my UTK standard. SO, I may go back to heritage and just get a couple tartans in smaller size for now or get something adjustable. UTKilts has an adjustable waist utility kilt and Utilikilt and Stumptown have adjustables too. Damn Near Kilt'em has one that has a little adjustability. I like the look of the stumptown, but 23" isn't optimal. The owner told me they will be coming out with a kilt with a 25" drop early next year. That would work, but I would like something sooner. I think the utilikilts are well made, but to me they look sloppy and a lot of folks wear them low, which IMO makes it more so. I don't know...I guess I'll keep looking at the clearance items of several companies. You never know.