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31st July 18, 09:54 AM
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Generally I'd agree that it's a jabot for the Montrose although I have seen it with a white tie (see link and scroll through pic's)
If you look through the galleries for the Royal Caledonian Ball you notice the vast majority wearing jabot and many with cuffs. I had a Sheriffmuir that I did wear with a silk Edwardian style cravat or a riding stock. While the jabot does look good on many, it makes me look like I'm an eye patch and a parrot away from a pirate outfit.....
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31st July 18, 10:07 AM
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I chose the Sheriffmuir style instead of the Prince Charles Jacket, and I do wear a bowtie and works just fine, and is acceptable (well on this side of the pond), and I am sure you could wear a bow tie too. but I normally wear with tartan or mostly black bow. I do love the Montrose Doublet, I am sure that would look really nice with a fly.
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31st July 18, 10:12 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by MacCathmhaoil
While the jabot does look good on many, it makes me look like I'm an eye patch and a parrot away from a pirate outfit.....
Ha! Well, to be honest, I have the same concern. The only place I could see myself wearing it would be a Burns supper, and possibly only if I were the one presenting the haggis. I don't think that will ever happen.
Outside of that context, a lace jabot and cuffs with a Montrose would seem very over-the-top, both in terms of formality and bordering on historical costumery for anything I would attend. This is precisely why I am asking the question. If I cannot find a use for it, or a way to wear it that fits the events I would attend, then I will have to pass on it, no matter how good the deal is.
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31st July 18, 11:10 AM
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I always think it is better to be over dressed than under dressed.
As said above, a jabot with a Motrose Doublet but cuffs are optional.
One thing to note is that a velvet doublet is very hot, best to just wear a tee shirt underneath. You can alway pin the cuffs on to the inside of the sleeves.
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31st July 18, 12:28 PM
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As others have said with a jabot and cuffs, I have a vintage Montrose Doublet that I have worn to many Burns Nights in the past. The formality level is White Tie, however I have worn it when Black Tie would do as I wanted to.

I got the jabot and cuffs from Lady Chrystel and am still very happy with them.
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31st July 18, 03:06 PM
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As we all know a suite of new Evening jackets appeared in the early 20th century.
What's cool is that one can get an idea of when the various styles appeared from old catalogues.
My earliest catalogues only have The Doublet ("suitable for older gentlemen") and The Coatee (or the Prince Charlie Coatee, "suitable for younger men" it being a recent invention).
Then The Montrose appears, mentioned "for youths"

AFAIK it's the first Evening Dress jacket made specifically to be worn with dirk belt and lace jabot.
McMurdo has of course nailed the look to perfection!
Though dirk belts and jabots were sometimes worn with the 19th century Evening jackets (Doublet and Argyll) by the early 20th century belts had ceased to be worn with those, and jabots rarely.
BTW the Montrose isn't a "doublet" strictly speaking, but what in the 19th century would be called a "shell jacket".
I used to have one in claret velvet... happily no photos exist...
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31st July 18, 04:21 PM
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The dress Argyle for evening wear in the advertisement appears to have satin lapels, not seen very frequently today unless a bespoke jacket I'd guess.
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31st July 18, 07:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by MacCathmhaoil
The dress Argyle for evening wear in the advertisement appears to have satin lapels, not seen very frequently today unless a bespoke jacket I'd guess.
The only shop I've seen carry Evening Dress Argylls as a standard thing is Geoffrey Tailor.
They're made of fine Barathea in dark green, dark blue, claret, etc and have Russia Braid button loops on the cuffs and flaps, quite elegant. (Tweed Day jackets and most black Argyll jackets have suggestions of button loops created out of the cloth gathered and sewn in a bead.)
Most Prince Charlies I see nowadays have grosgrain lapels rather than satin, but I can't remember if the Geoffrey dress Argylls have those.
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24th August 18, 03:56 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
My earliest catalogues only have The Doublet ("suitable for older gentlemen") and The Coatee (or the Prince Charlie Coatee, "suitable for younger men" it being a recent invention).
Then The Montrose appears, mentioned "for youths"
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
Though dirk belts and jabots were sometimes worn with the 19th century Evening jackets (Doublet and Argyll) by the early 20th century belts had ceased to be worn with those, and jabots rarely.
You make references to an earlier doublet, and I know you aren't talking about the Montrose, could you specify what doublet you're talking about exactly?
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28th August 18, 11:23 AM
#10
 Originally Posted by PatrickHughes123
You make references to an earlier doublet, and I know you aren't talking about the Montrose, could you specify what doublet you're talking about exactly?
I believe that it refers to what is now known as the regulation doublet.
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