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4th January 19, 05:15 AM
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 Originally Posted by tripleblessed
The cultural intersection of throat singing, North Carolina, Mississippi, and the 80s,
however, nearly boggles even my wyrd. I love it.
I appreciate music from anywhere, anytime, of any kind. Your adventures in throat singing humble me and I can see the attraction to "tone" in the sites you mentioned.
To muddle the issue further, I tried using the instrument (pictured below) along with my toning. I had limited success because of lung control (am still a smoker after 50 years). I still think the combined sounds would work. I imagine the vibrations of jubilation (like the OP's video provides).
Last edited by Tarheel; 4th January 19 at 05:16 AM.
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4th January 19, 05:27 AM
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 Originally Posted by Tarheel
To muddle the issue further, I tried using the instrument (pictured below) along with my toning. I had limited success because of lung control (am still a smoker after 50 years). I still think the combined sounds would work. I imagine the vibrations of jubilation (like the OP's video provides).

That's a Jew's harp isn't it - occasionally used in Scotland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew%27s_harp
Alan
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4th January 19, 06:01 AM
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Very interesting sound they've produced there! I'm not generally a fan of so-called "mashups" of different ethnic traditions, but this one works particularly well.
I believe the bowed instrument he's playing is a Morin khuur, otherwise known as a horsehead fiddle. It's a traditional Mongolian instrument that pairs well with the bagpipes, in terms of the way it's played with a drone to accompany the melody. (Side note: this is one of the reasons I was drawn to playing traditional fiddle music to begin with. I love the sound of double-stops and drone strings.)
I'm not very knowledgeable on bagpipes, though. I see several types being played. These are obviously not Great Highland Bagpipes. What are they? I'm especially curious about the one where the drone pipes were swinging underneath the bag.
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4th January 19, 07:09 AM
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 Originally Posted by Tobus
Very interesting sound they've produced there! I'm not generally a fan of so-called "mashups" of different ethnic traditions, but this one works particularly well.
I believe the bowed instrument he's playing is a Morin khuur, otherwise known as a horsehead fiddle. It's a traditional Mongolian instrument that pairs well with the bagpipes, in terms of the way it's played with a drone to accompany the melody. (Side note: this is one of the reasons I was drawn to playing traditional fiddle music to begin with. I love the sound of double-stops and drone strings.)
I'm not very knowledgeable on bagpipes, though. I see several types being played. These are obviously not Great Highland Bagpipes. What are they? I'm especially curious about the one where the drone pipes were swinging underneath the bag.
The underslung drones caught my eye as well. Many areas have their own version of pipes, and since the clip says it's
drums and pipe music from Latvia, perhaps these are a local variant?
Being a a fan of most types of music, especially classical and bluegrass, the violin/fiddle is a favorite sound. I was taught
by my throat singing teachers that the bow came west with the Mongol Horde sent out by Genghis Khan. The bow was
strung with the horsehair running between the strings of the instrument. this allowed it to be hung from a saddle without separation of the two, to prevent loss of bow. By the time the Horde reached the gates of Vienna, Genghis was gone and
Kublai was Khan. A rumor arrived from home that he had died, and that funeral games would be held. Having missed the games for Genghis, they decided to abandon the siege of Vienna and go home for the games. Thus we don't speak a
Turkic language and we inherited both the bow for stringed instruments and the stirrup. Cannot speak to the veracity
of this info, but I have seen writings which seem to confirm.
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4th January 19, 07:14 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfnkCbwRSas
Also traditional with throat singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noGZtDtlq8
The second clip has annoying commentary, but the performance demonstrates the interconnection of jaw harp, throat singing, and
horse culture. The melding of Celts and horses happened (apparently) where the mountains meet the steppes, and much has traveled
west to us. Bagpipes are common in many cultures along the migration paths.
Last edited by tripleblessed; 4th January 19 at 07:30 AM.
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4th January 19, 09:57 AM
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Thanks for sharing the Youtube links, I've always enjoyed throat singing and have wondered how difficult it is to learn.
 Originally Posted by Tobus
I believe the bowed instrument he's playing is a Morin khuur, otherwise known as a horsehead fiddle. It's a traditional Mongolian instrument that pairs well with the bagpipes, in terms of the way it's played with a drone to accompany the melody. (Side note: this is one of the reasons I was drawn to playing traditional fiddle music to begin with. I love the sound of double-stops and drone strings.)
This comment has me wondering if a hurdy gurdy wouldn't also pair well with pipes...
 Originally Posted by tripleblessed
The underslung drones caught my eye as well. Many areas have their own version of pipes, and since the clip says it's
drums and pipe music from Latvia, perhaps these are a local variant?
Toward the bottom of the Wikipedia page on bagpipes there are pictures of a number of different country/region variations. Several of the Eastern European versions have drones pointing down or out to the side.
Verbing weirds language.
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4th January 19, 12:24 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by TheGratefulNed
Thanks for sharing the Youtube links, I've always enjoyed throat singing and have wondered how difficult it is to learn.
It's a two to five minute lesson. Then lots of practice. Like any instrument, for most people the amount of
time to accomplish much with the voice can be daunting or depressing. On the bright side, if I can pull it off,
anyone can. Above, Tarheel alluded to the beneficial effects; I'm convinced that if I hadn't taken the time with
overtones, I would not still be walking. So for me, a good investment.
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4th January 19, 03:27 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by TheGratefulNed
This comment has me wondering if a hurdy gurdy wouldn't also pair well with pipes..
It does! I played in a medieval ensemble for a while this year and we had both pipes and hurdy gudry, and they were super cool together.
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5th January 19, 10:34 AM
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Medieval ensemble? How great is that? My experience of medieval instruments is limited to working performances
of same, predating my participation as a performer. I recall both the instruments and the music as somehow wilder
and more visceral than much of the later music. Could be just time and memory,though.
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