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    Black Watch sporran change?

    This lovely photo is up on Ebay now.



    The seller didn't know anything, I told him it was a member of the Black Watch 1856-1869.

    That timeframe comes from the doublet design. Doublets were introduced for the Highland regiments in 1855 (pipers had been wearing them for some time already) the initial pattern being double-breasted. They were changed to single-breasted the next year. This photo, said to have been taken in 1860, shows a similar doublet to the one in the Ebay photo. Note the piping around the top of the collar, and the piping on the epaulettes.



    In 1869 the three-point cuffs were changed to gauntlet cuffs. This photo shows a number of changes: the sporran badge moved from a shield on the hair onto the cantle, the piping removed from the epaulettes, the piping moved from the top to the bottom of the collar, the addition of collar badges, and of course the new cuffs (pipers had already been wearing gauntlet cuffs for years).



    To narrow down the date of the Ebay photo, I wonder about four things:

    1) what date was the sporran badge moved from a shield on the hair to the cantle itself?

    2) what date did the piping move from the top of the collar to the base?

    3) what date were collar badges adopted?

    4) what date was the piping removed from the epaulettes?

    With those big Crimean beards it's often impossible to see the collar!
    Last edited by OC Richard; 19th July 20 at 01:58 PM.
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

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