Preparing to make my first kilt.

[Steve Ashton]

If your waist circumference is 36" - then 36/2=18 - slightly more than half could be 19 front, 17 rear. Or 20 front, 16 rear.

If your hip circumference is 41" - then 41/2= 20.2 - Slightly more than half could be 20 front, 21 rear. Or 19 front, 22 rear.
(Please see page 50 of TAoK)

I would ask how you took the hip circumference measurement? 41" seems a bit small and one place you do not want the kilt to be tight is at the hip line. If you were to err it would be best to err large instead of small.
So, when you take a hip measurement please make sure you pull the tap measure out in front to simulate he aprons falling straight down from your belly.

A Fell Length of 7.5 Seems just a bit short. "By the book" - Fell Length is 1/3 of the Drop (without Rise) So a kilt with a Drop of 23 would have a total length of 25 and a Fell Length of 7.66.
A kilt with a Drop of 24" would have a total length of 25" and a Fell Length of 8".

If you are making a kilt In Accordance With (IAK) "The Art of Kiltmaking" please remember that the book is instructions for a Traditional Style kilt with a Full Waist Height. Or the top strap right up under the ribs at the side. The instructions do not work as well for a kilt with a waist height lower than Full Waist Height.
For example - I am exactly feet tall and my Tewksbury kilt had a Drop of 23" and a total length of 25". (Please see page 46 of TAok)

And when measuring the Sett of a Tartan you measure from the pivot points. So find the pivot points and measure from the left side of a line to the left side of the same line in the next full repeat of the pattern.
I can't see what Tartan is in your Avatar very well. Can you give us the name, weaving mill, and the weight of the fabric?

How many pleats your kilt will have depends on a lot of different factors such as the Sett size, the type of pleat, if folding to reveal to the Sett or to the stripe and how many full repeats of the Tartan pattern you have left over after laying out the aprons. (Remember to account for the apron edge hems, fringe, taper, deep and reverse pleats.)

[Fyrbrd]

If your waist circumference is 36" - then 36/2=18 - slightly more than half could be 19 front, 17 rear. Or 20 front, 16 rear.

If your hip circumference is 41" - then 41/2= 20.2 - Slightly more than half could be 20 front, 21 rear. Or 19 front, 22 rear.
(Please see page 50 of TAoK)

I would ask how you took the hip circumference measurement? 41" seems a bit small and one place you do not want the kilt to be tight is at the hip line. If you were to err it would be best to err large instead of small.
So, when you take a hip measurement please make sure you pull the tap measure out in front to simulate he aprons falling straight down from your belly.

A Fell Length of 7.5 Seems just a bit short. "By the book" - Fell Length is 1/3 of the Drop (without Rise) So a kilt with a Drop of 23 would have a total length of 25 and a Fell Length of 7.66.
A kilt with a Drop of 24" would have a total length of 25" and a Fell Length of 8".

If you are making a kilt In Accordance With (IAK) "The Art of Kiltmaking" please remember that the book is instructions for a Traditional Style kilt with a Full Waist Height. Or the top strap right up under the ribs at the side. The instructions do not work as well for a kilt with a waist height lower than Full Waist Height.
For example - I am exactly feet tall and my Tewksbury kilt had a Drop of 23" and a total length of 25". (Please see page 46 of TAok)

And when measuring the Sett of a Tartan you measure from the pivot points. So find the pivot points and measure from the left side of a line to the left side of the same line in the next full repeat of the pattern.
I can't see what Tartan is in your Avatar very well. Can you give us the name, weaving mill, and the weight of the fabric?

How many pleats your kilt will have depends on a lot of different factors such as the Sett size, the type of pleat, if folding to reveal to the Sett or to the stripe and how many full repeats of the Tartan pattern you have left over after laying out the aprons. (Remember to account for the apron edge hems, fringe, taper, deep and reverse pleats.)

Thank you for the reply Steve,

I had my wife take my hip measurement around the widest part of my hips with the tape just tight enough that it wouldn't fall with two of her fingers under the tape. With that we measured 41". Again, I had my daughter take that measurement and she came up with the same number. There is a comment on page 52 that says to select a hip split of not more than one inch more in the pleats than the apron unless the person has prominent buttocks, which I do not. And while I do have a bit of a stomach, I can still see my belt buckle with my shirt tucked in. Which is why I was considering that half inch Barbara mentioned in her tips and tricks thread.

I arrived at the fell measurement by measuring from my waist to my hip, which I now realize is not the way the book says to do it. That method must have stuck in my head from Robert MacDonald of West Coast Kilts. I have been following his YouTube channel for some time. So to that end, using a calculator instead of the tape I came up with the same numbers as you mentioned.

As for measuring the set, I was measuring the pivots and I chose several to measure that all verified my numbers. Here is a link to the fabric specifications; https://dcdalgliesh.co.uk/fabric/482313

Thank you again.

[Fyrbrd]

I realized I failed to mention that my plan is to pleat to the set. So out of 8 yards of fabric, allowing one yard for each apron and other considerations that leaves me 6 yards for the pleats. Pleating to a 7.5" set should allow for 29 pleats at just under .75" per pleat at the hip. I'm going through the math for the pleats so I know what to expect when I start laying out and marking the fabric. Hopefully once I layout the fabric and find the rear center stripe everything will line up.

[Steve Ashton]

Pleating to Sett is a bit different than pleating to Stripe.

You will need to plan to allow one full Sett - plus - the width of a pleat for each pleat.
So if your pleats have a .75 inch reveal, and your Sett is 7.5 inches, each pleat to Sett will require 8.25 inches of fabric.

[Steve Ashton]

Not everyone grasps the concept of how to lay out pleats for display to Sett from the first reading of TAoK. It can be so confusing that when Barb teaches kiltmaking she needs at least one full day just to explain it. And then the next full day answering questions about it to each person individually.

May I offer an alternative method.

You begin by using a method from High School Geometry class that allows you to divide any line into (a close approximation) of any number of equal spaces.

This is called A Magic Starburst. A set of lines that start at the top, at a single point and radiate out to any number of equally spaced divisions at the bottom.




Notice please, the arrows in the center. The bottom arrow points to where the spacing equals 1.25" The next higher arrow is at spacing of 1". Then .525". The top arrow is the width of the pleats at the waist just for visual reference to check the Tartan at the top of the taper.


You then cut a small section of the center of your Tartan from the top band. This should be long enough to reach around your hips in the back with your chosen center stripe in the middle.



Iron on a piece of non roll waistband interfacing to keep the strip stable.

You can then lay the fabric strip directly onto the magic starburst. Move the strip side to side until one pivot point is on one line and the next pivot point on any other line. You have just divided your Tartan Sett into an equal number of divisions.



But these divisions may not be ideal in the tapered section of the Fell. The idea is that you retain the look of the full Tartan. No element should be cut off when the pleats taper smaller.

You do this by moving the fabric strip side to side until it looks good.

You should be able to see that in this example the red lines may be cut off when tapered.




If you do not find a suitable set of division lines you repeat this process with more or fewer divisions per Sett. Move the fabric up and down to align pivot points and then side to side to compare the Tartan pattern to the tapered width.

The width of each individual pleat should be no wider at the hip line than about 1.25 inches and no narrower than .625 inches. How much each pleat tapers depends on your shape.
At some place on the starburst you will find a set of divisions that meet the width you want and will pleat up and taper nicely.

All you need to do now is mark the interfacing so that your tartan strip is divided into a number of equally spaced division, Mark and count the number of pleats from end to end of the strip that is long enough to reach across the width of your butt.



You can now lay your tartan strip directly onto your kilt fabric and mark the pleats.



When you are all done and your kilt is sewn, you will be able to lay your fabric strip right onto the pleats of your kilt - and everything will line up perfectly.








Now, I will include a caution - Barb Tewksbury does not like my Magic Starburst method of laying out pleats.
I guess it is too mechanical, too much of the thinking of an engineer. I suspect that she prefers to keep the "art" in "The Art of Kiltmaking".

But I used this method in my kilt shop for almost 20 years. I also taught it to my students at my half of Kilt Kamps. In fact it is one of my students, who had taken Barb's course the previous year, who took my class the next and exclaimed, "That just makes too much sense. It's almost like magic. A Magic Starburst."

When I retired I found that I had a collection of over 450 Tartan strips all marked out to pleat to Sett. (this is just a very small sample) I never found a single Tartan that this method did not work with.
a starburst permanently on my layout table I could lay out and mark an entire kilt in about 2-3 hours.

[Fyrbrd]

Thank you Steve,

I remember reading about your method before my original post. Thank you for explaining it a little further. It does look like a good method for maintaining consistency in the pleating process.

Thank you again,

Fyrbrd

[Fyrbrd]

Following up on my preparations; let me preface my question with, I have ordered heavyweight Hymo Canvas as recommended in TAoK.

As to my question, while picking up supplies at my local Joann's I looked to see what they had for canvas. Pickings were slim, but I was able to find a few bolts of natural cotton Duck Canvas. With Duck Canvas being a fairly firm cloth, would it be an acceptable substitute for Hymo Canvas?


Thanks,

Fyrbrd