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25th December 06, 12:02 PM
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Last edited by Foxgun Tom; 22nd January 07 at 11:14 AM.
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25th December 06, 12:23 PM
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It's too bad when things get taken personally--the idea of "You're a x generation American, and therefore not Scottish / Irish / insert_nationality_here" really heated things up. Whether or not you believe that [and I say this with all charity], I think thoughts like that should not be expressed here where a common interest brings us all together. Do I consider myself Scottish? Not purely Scottish, but I have a Celtic heritage I am very proud of, and will not hesitate to answer in the affirmative if some one asks if I am Scottish: I am a Scots-Irish American.
At the risk of another thread going south, I ask the following question: Are our black countrymen not African-Americans, British-Africans, etc? As the Papal delegate to the U.S. said in his homily at the National Shrine last night, "All races, all nations, will be blessed . . ." We are men, wherever we hail from, wherever our ancestors come from. Let us remember charity this Holiday season.
James
Templeton sept of Clan Boyd
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25th December 06, 12:37 PM
#13
Wow. I'm glad I ignored the original thread after one view. It's a pity when things go so wrong and get taken so personally. Oh well. Happy holidays fellow kilties (Scots or NO!)
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25th December 06, 01:04 PM
#14
 Originally Posted by Nanook
There were a few hecklers in the pews but they were (from my perspective as subject) dainty and dull.
It was comments of EXACTLY this type that caused the other thread to be removed. You have become a shining example of the "hecklers in the pews". Be very aware that if this is indicative of your future conduct, your time here is growing very short.
Part of a forum's purpose is to provide a place for people to speak about their differing viewpoints. When it falls into irreparable argument or when someone starts taking potshots from the blind of a keyboard, then the purpose has been perverted into something else. And that something else is not acceptable.
Tom, there are no Scots moderators on this forum. If you visit the Portal Page and read the Welcome message, you'll see the following -
You do not have to be Scottish to post here or to wear a kilt. The name of this forum was chosen a while ago for different purposes and yet this website has evolved into what it is today. Please do not let the name deter you from posting.
We do recognize the international nature this forum has adopted as time has progressed, but the forum initially derived its name from a catchy turn of words, even though it was a USA-based site. We are always keeping our eyes out for members that we feel would make good moderators, so we're certainly not ruling out having moderators from other nations in the future.
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25th December 06, 02:22 PM
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Kilted!
My mother is pure Choctaw-Chickawsan-Cherokee, My Fathers ancestors came over in the 1600's from Scotland. His Mother was sencond or third generation Irish. What does that make me? An AMERICAN! And Proud of it! However, I have come to believe that this website was for those that liked kilts and Celtica, and wanted to share their experiences with others. Dirkskene had been raving about this site for months, and I can see why. I have truely enjoyed reading the post and honestly feel that I have learned so much. If I have any question on anything to do with kilts, or Scottish dress, customs, food, etc... all I have to do is ask. I know that someone out there knows the answer. Personally, I would like to take a moment and tell the Moderators thet I feel that you do a tremendously good job! KUDOS! This is a magnificent site, and I heartily thank Dirkskene, for introducing me to it. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
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25th December 06, 03:33 PM
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Let 'em post
Personally, I would rather see more moderation in moderators than less. I don't mind if threads get heated. I am all grown up and can decide for myself whether I want to continue following a thread that has evolved onward to another topic, as are the usual courses of conversations in real life, or has generated expressions of definite opinion, or whatever. But I would prefer to be able to make that decision myself rather than to have it made for my by some one looking out for my best interests, as they see them.
We all have different things that push our buttons. I have read posts on here that I have found deeply offensive, but which did not seem to have raised a collective cyber eyebrow. On the other hand I have seen what I think of as quite innocuous posts by myself and others deleted and no reason given.
Nor do I mind reading about the same or similar ideas in different threads in different fora, and see no need to consolidate them. One of the interesting things about conversation is that it can go anywhere, some appealing to me and some not. If you were hosting a party and a common topic of conversation about some current event was cropping up here and there among the guests, would you insist that they all stop having separate conversations and focus on one, and that in a room far from the one you had come in on? I think not.
For me it matters little whether I agree with a post, or whether the poster is angry or sad or elated or dispondent or whatever, as much as whether I find the post interesting and/or informative. To me Nanook's are that, the latter. Threads about what silly, giggling, teenaged girls had to say upon seeing a kilted man at the mall for the first time are not. I find them quite uninteresting, I do not read them, and if it was up to me I would delete every one of them. But that's just me. Others have different tastes. And that's what it boils down to: personal taste and opinion. And the more tastes and opinions that are made to feel welcome, the richer the experience of coming here will be.
I have not looked, but there must be some way to killfile posters whom one has developed such antipathy toward that one cannot read without becoming apoplectic. If that ever happens to me, I would much rather decide for myself not to read that person's posts than to have that decision made for me.
I remember the days of Usenet quite well, and their flame wars, etc. On the other hand I have had experiences with boards that were micromanaged and heavily moderated. People stop posting on them, and they become less and less interesting, with the same fewer and fewer people saying the same sorts of tired, worn out, boring yet approved things over and over again. Fewer people seem to read them as well. They just sort of shrivel up and die.
Of course there is a middle way between these two extremes, and the point I am trying to make (and I do have one) is that in both real life and online it is far easier to stifle and stop a conversation than it is to encourage a lively and informative one.
Last edited by gilmore; 25th December 06 at 08:45 PM.
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25th December 06, 03:50 PM
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Write In Moderation
I enjoy the good nature, good humor and the great information that many people leave on this site. This is the only site I visit that makes me laugh on a regular basis . . . and every now and then, I really appreciate that
I don't dislike moderation, I dislike the need for it. I too hate to see posts deleted (although it sounds like the post in contention will return in some form). Sometimes I wish the rotten posts were left up so all could see how badly someone had behaved . . . it would be easier to give their future posts proper credit. But I've been to sites like that, and after a while, it wears on me and I stop participating in a forum that is more irritating and less fun.
Being a moderator is no doubt a difficult job. The standard for *their* behavior when they participate is higher, and that limits what they can say as well as their range of expression. From what I've seen over the last several months, the moderators here seem to be pretty relaxed. They're passionate about some topics, but that is a reflection of their humanity: They're not automatons.
Thanks for doing a thankless job that most everyone will tell you you're doing wrong. I like visiting this site, no doubt because of your work.
Abax
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25th December 06, 04:19 PM
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Gents, I apologize for contributing to the yanking of the thread. Nothing is more stimulating for me than a lively historic debate, and I really don't think it degenerated to the level of a "flame war." However, it would better have been taken to a seperate thread.
Sorry again ... and Merry Christmas!
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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25th December 06, 04:22 PM
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Umm, what Gilmore said.
Thanks for typing all that so I don't have to. The band-aid on my pinky is making the circumnavigation of the keyboard kinda difficult....
Happy Christmas, all.
- The Beertigger
"The only one, since 1969."
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26th December 06, 08:34 AM
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Last edited by Foxgun Tom; 22nd January 07 at 11:12 AM.
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