The Huish Clan, can anybody help me.

[Big Homestead]

Jock Scot
Thanks for correction.

Cheers

[gilmore]

This is taken from Richard Hywish Pedgree (bloody long those things are..lol)

"Helen married Hulbert de Huese a titled person of Normandy and companion of King William, and was given extensive lands, among those were estates in Devon"

So I would then look for King Williams (William the Conqueror) colors?, or was that before tartans and kilts? The time of this was around 1040 something A.D.

Cheers!

Sorry to break the news to you, but most of the claims of ancestors having been "Companions of the Conqueror," that is, to have come from Normandy to England with William I, are bogus.

It has long been known that the Battle Roll at Battle Abbey was a forgery, the gentle monks there having accepted "donations" for hundreds of years to add names to the Roll. Likewise, the Failaise Roll in France is bloated with names of people who never laid eyes on William.

Here is a list of those who with any degree of certainty at all can be said to have fought with William at Hastings. They are only twenty in number:

"The following is an excerpt from Cokayne's The Complete Peerage, rev.
ed., vol. XII, postscript to Appendix L, pp. 47-48: 'Companions of the
Conqueror' (regarding the 1066 Battle of Hastings). These are the proven
companions of William.

1. Robert de Beaumont, later first Earl of Leicester.
2. Eustace, Count of Boulogne.
3. William, afterwards third Count of Evreux.
4. Geoffrey of Mortagne, afterwards Count of Perche.
5. William Fitz Osbern, afterwards first Earl of Hereford.
6. Aimeri, Vicomte of Thouars.
7. Hugh de Montfort, seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle.
8. Walter Giffard, seigneur of Longueville.
9. Ralph de Toeni, seigneur of Conches.
10. Hugh de Grandmesil, seigneur de Grandmesnil.
11. William de Warenne, afterwards first Earl of Surrey.
12. William Malet, seigneur of Graville.
13. Eudes, Bishop of Bayeux, afterwards Earl of Kent.
14. Turstin Fitz Rou.
15. Engenulf de Laigle, seigneur of Laigle.
(#1-12 recorded by William of Poitiers, #13 portrayed in the battle
scene on the Bayeux Tapestry, #14-15 named by Orderic.)


Five more who were certainly in the Duke's army and almost certainly
at the battle:


16. Geoffrey de Mowbray, Bishop of Coutances.
17. Robert, Count of Mortain, afterwards first Earl of Cornwall.
18. Wadard, believed to be a follower of the Bishop of Bayeux.
19. Vital, believed to be a follower of the Bishop of Bayeux.
20. Goubert d'Auffay, seigneur of Auffay.


(#16 named by William of Poitiers, #17-19 portrayed in the Bayeux
Tapestry, #20 said by Orderic to have taken part in the English War before
William became King of England.)"

For a rather thorough and knowledgeable discussion see "Who Really Came With William The Conqueror In 1066?" http://groups.google.com/group/alt.t...941b22fce0f8a4

[keltic falcon]

heck this out http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c...-coat-arms.htm

[macwilkin]

heck this out http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c...-coat-arms.htm

See my post in the other thread concerning "bucket shops" that sell "family crests"...not a reliable source.

T.

[freddie]

This is clutching at straws a bit, but if the name has any Scottish connexion then it could be affiliated to MacDonald. There are a few MacDonald septs like MacHugh, Hewison and Houston which have the same element (although these I think derive from a MacDonald called Hugh). Also the name Huie is given in 'Scots Kith and Kin' as a sept of Clan MacLean, who's lands were close to MacDonald teritory. Of course it would be impossible for books like this to list all the names in Scotland, and many names would have become corrupted into all sorts of forms over the centuries. Also, when Highlanders migrated down to the lowlands, clerks would often spell them phonetically, and I can just imagine a Highlander giving his name as "MacHuish", and this name, like so many others, becoming a 'lost mac' name over time to become Huish.
However, from all the evidence unearthed by our fellow X markers, it does seem that the most likely explanation is that it has Cornish roots.

[Big Homestead]

Your absolutely right about the Cornish connection, but it almost appears that the Huish name was actually at one time a Norman name. I found this pedigree
of Richard Hywish's.

Richard Huish or Hywish was born near St. Mary Magdelen in 1562 and was baptised there.
Here is his pedigree:
Rognwald, Count of Maerc maried Hildir dau of Rolf Nefio and
had,
Rollo, Duke of Normandy 911 to 927. he married Poppa Bayeau and
had,
William Longsword, Duke of Normandy 927 to 943. He married Sprota and
had,
Richard the I, Duke of Normandy 943 to 996. He married Gonnor de Crepon of Denmark and
had,
Richard the II, Duke of Normandy 996 to 1026. He married Judith le Tort and
had,
Richard the III, Duke of Normandy 1026-1028. His wife is unknown but he
had a Daughter Helen.
Helen married Hulbert de Huese a titled person of Normandy and companion of King William, and was given extensive lands, among those were estates in Devon,
they had,
Richard de Huese I of Dorset and Devon, who married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese II of Dorset and Devon, and Dunster in Somerset who married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese III of Lod Hywis, Somerset and married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese IV of Lod Hywis, Somerset and married ? and
had,
John de Hywis of Lynch and Doniford, born abt 1190 abd Died after 1254.
He had,
Sir John de Hywis of Lod Hywis born abt 1220 and died bef 1267. He married Joan Bausan and
had,
Geoffery de Hywis of Lod Hywis of Lynch and Doniford who married Maud Bloyou and
had issue,
John de Hywis of Lynch and Doniford and he married Emma Botreau, and
they had,
Gilbert de Hywis of Lod Hywis, Doniford. Gilbert married Alice Durborough and
had,
Oliver Hywish of Doniford who married the Lady de la Roche and
had,
John Hywish of Doniford who married Catherine and
they had,
Oliver Huish of Lod Hywis who married Joan Avenell and
they had,
Oliver Huish of Doniford and he married a Cavendish and
had,
Thomas Huish who resided in Sidbury, Devon and died 12 Mar 1556 and is burried at St. Mary Magdalen,
he fathered,
Robert Huish who records mention his death on 28 November 1558 in the Archdeacons Court.
He fathered,
Richard Huish, wife unknown, and
had,
Richard Huish of Sand and Blackfriars. He married Ebbot Lovel,
they had no children that survived.

Huese looks as though it may have become Huish.

This has been a riot! I'm far from done but would love to say "Thank you" to all who have helped. Greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

[Big Homestead]

Before I forget, here is the source.....

http://oldhuish.richuish.ac.uk/

Cheers

[Cawdorian]

How is the name pronounced? Many times the pronunciation is preserved although the spelling isn't. That will give you a clue to the original name. Could it be pronounced the same as Hughes?

[Big Homestead]

If you said the word Jewish, then replaced the "J' with a "H", you'd have it spoken perfectly.

[gilmore]

Your absolutely right about the Cornish connection, but it almost appears that the Huish name was actually at one time a Norman name. I found this pedigree
of Richard Hywish's.

Richard Huish or Hywish was born near St. Mary Magdelen in 1562 and was baptised there.
Here is his pedigree:
Rognwald, Count of Maerc maried Hildir dau of Rolf Nefio and
had,
Rollo, Duke of Normandy 911 to 927. he married Poppa Bayeau and
had,
William Longsword, Duke of Normandy 927 to 943. He married Sprota and
had,
Richard the I, Duke of Normandy 943 to 996. He married Gonnor de Crepon of Denmark and
had,
Richard the II, Duke of Normandy 996 to 1026. He married Judith le Tort and
had,
Richard the III, Duke of Normandy 1026-1028. His wife is unknown but he
had a Daughter Helen.
Helen married Hulbert de Huese a titled person of Normandy and companion of King William, and was given extensive lands, among those were estates in Devon,
they had,
Richard de Huese I of Dorset and Devon, who married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese II of Dorset and Devon, and Dunster in Somerset who married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese III of Lod Hywis, Somerset and married ? and
had,
Richard de Huese IV of Lod Hywis, Somerset and married ? and
had,
John de Hywis of Lynch and Doniford, born abt 1190 abd Died after 1254.
He had,
Sir John de Hywis of Lod Hywis born abt 1220 and died bef 1267. He married Joan Bausan and
had,
Geoffery de Hywis of Lod Hywis of Lynch and Doniford who married Maud Bloyou and
had issue,
John de Hywis of Lynch and Doniford and he married Emma Botreau, and
they had,
Gilbert de Hywis of Lod Hywis, Doniford. Gilbert married Alice Durborough and
had,
Oliver Hywish of Doniford who married the Lady de la Roche and
had,
John Hywish of Doniford who married Catherine and
they had,
Oliver Huish of Lod Hywis who married Joan Avenell and
they had,
Oliver Huish of Doniford and he married a Cavendish and
had,
Thomas Huish who resided in Sidbury, Devon and died 12 Mar 1556 and is burried at St. Mary Magdalen,
he fathered,
Robert Huish who records mention his death on 28 November 1558 in the Archdeacons Court.
He fathered,
Richard Huish, wife unknown, and
had,
Richard Huish of Sand and Blackfriars. He married Ebbot Lovel,
they had no children that survived.

Huese looks as though it may have become Huish.

This has been a riot! I'm far from done but would love to say "Thank you" to all who have helped. Greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

It seems that you are trying to establish two contradictory genealogies, both of which have their own internal problems. One originates in Normandy and continues in southern England (and is unlikely due to the reasons set out in my earlier post.)

The other would originate in the Scottish Highlands, and is also problematic, as others have pointed out.

You really can't have it both ways.

This is an example of why I don't have the patience I should with false genealogies, and those who invent them and pass them on. If one wants to believe fanciful things about one's ancestors, that is one thing. If one passes them on to unsuspecting people, that is another, and is the unforgivable sin of genealogists. After doing geneaological research for some years, one finds oneself spending much more time plowing through other people's BS than in doing original work.