Lifting a Kilt

[JamieKerr]

To me, stating we have any sort of blame for other's reactions is comparable to telling a rape victim it is his/her fault they were raped. I have never done anything to invite someone to lift my kilt, and it is ridiculous to assume that I should be forced to accept that sort of treatment.

[Wulf Skjaldr]

It's never happened to me, I already had a reputation at work as being ready to go to fists if I'm insulted, and most everyone knows better than that. I get a lot of comments going from "Nice kilt", "What tartan?" etc to "Regimental?" and "Are you wearing underwear". Now, I would get pretty mad if a guy lifted my kilt, and I'd probably crack his jaw. A lady the same way, excepting that I wasn't raised to hit women, even though Jon Wayne spanks quite a few.

However, as to people asking "the question" I was always under the impression that as a group, kilted men are usually pretty good natured about it. So I am too, I let people have their jokes, I'm not the one sitting around in too tight clothes with no air flow.

[Highland Logan]

I have had my kilt lifted a number of times, all by strangers, and I did nothing to invite what I consider a personal assault. All but one were women who thought it funny. A guy lifted it up over my head from behind in front of a table full of strangers, and because I didn't want to get his blood on my new kilt, I simply asked them if they enjoyed the show and walked away. I refuse to accept that lifting my kilt is to be tolerated or that simply by wearing it I'm inviting that kind of rude behavior.

Now like I said you may have not did anything to encourge this type of thing, but because of the actions of other in the past and still in the present, society in general believes that kilt lifting and "the question" is excepted and encouraged.

To me, stating we have any sort of blame for other's reactions is comparable to telling a rape victim it is his/her fault they were raped. I have never done anything to invite someone to lift my kilt, and it is ridiculous to assume that I should be forced to accept that sort of treatment.

With the amount of threads on this board about people sitting around thinking of the best comeback to the "question", and what is the best t-shirt with the coolest sexual innuendo regarding what is worn under the kilt, and the "OMG a girl said I looked good in a kilt" type of grade 6 comments, is it any wonder people want to garb at/ask the question? Now I have not said anyone in this thread has acted inapropriatly, but we all know someone who acts just as I discribed. Regular people in pants don't run out and buy "what's under my pants" t-shirts, or try to come up with comebacks to questions about pants... some no doubt will still act like they are in grade school if a girl looks at them. The point is for those who act like that, grow up. For those who already are... the actions of other have made this exceptable in society. As for rape... you tend to be overly dramatic and use terms and examples that you think are below others to attack (cancer surivors). You may want to try to stop making a victim of yourself and hiding behind others you feel people will not question. Stop feeling that any opinion other than yours is attack, exspeacialy when the actions sited does not apply to you.

Frank

[JamieKerr]

You may want to try to stop making a victim of yourself and hiding behind others you feel people will not question. Stop feeling that any opinion other than yours is attack, exspeacialy when the actions sited does not apply to you.

Frank

Given that I never said how I personally react when someone does it to me, You may not want to make comments about someone you don't know. I was merely making a comparison to something that occurs in the other gender. Given that lifting a man's kilt is legally assault in many states, my comparison was not inappropriate. That's why I made it, and for no other reason. Then again, maybe you don' t like my responses because you see a bit of truth and don't know how to respond.

[Hachiman]

To me, stating we have any sort of blame for other's reactions is comparable to telling a rape victim it is his/her fault they were raped. I have never done anything to invite someone to lift my kilt, and it is ridiculous to assume that I should be forced to accept that sort of treatment.

I totally agree; yes, there's a mystique to the kilt, but that's no excuse to lift the hem and expose the wearer. Equally, lifting the hem of a woman's skirt is treated by the law as sexual assault and the offender will be labelled a sex offender for life (with all the constraints and shame that goes with such a label). In Australia, sexual assault laws were recently expanded to include anyone using any device (specifically electronic) to look up under a woman's skirt or dress. Again, those found guilty of such behavior would be labelled a sex offender for life.

I haven't worn the kilt in public often (I don't have a kilt in the wardrobe at the moment - I have to rectify that situation asap), but anyone (male or female) who lifts the hem of my kilt will be threatened with legal action. I don't like double-standards, especially when applied to gender and gender roles.

That said, these are my opinions; if someone else welcomes kilt inspections from strangers, that's their perogative. I cannot impose my opinion upon them, however much I might disapprove.

YMMV.

regards
Hachiman

[sharpdressedscot]

I honestly hate double standards (don't we all), but when this sort of action is to be expected that crosses the line. the equation of kilt+me= kilt lifting does not exist in my book. However, if it's just a tease or a joke it's fine as long as it's a joke.

[Highland Logan]

To me, stating we have any sort of blame for other's reactions is comparable to telling a rape victim it is his/her fault they were raped. I have never done anything to invite someone to lift my kilt, and it is ridiculous to assume that I should be forced to accept that sort of treatment.

Given that I never said how I personally react when someone does it to me, You may not want to make comments about someone you don't know. I was merely making a comparison to something that occurs in the other gender. Given that lifting a man's kilt is legally assault in many states, my comparison was not inappropriate. That's why I made it, and for no other reason. Then again, maybe you don' t like my responses because you see a bit of truth and don't know how to respond.

I agree it is assault. Rape was mentioned the first time, and I'm sure real rape victims would be taken aback by the suggestion that kilt lifting is in line with what they went through (just as suggesting that a woman without breasts due to cancer is not a woman is the same as saying a uiltikilt is not a kilt), your comparisons seem to be inappropriate. I also never said that we should live with it.

Course when the lovely lady in the Kilt Inspector t-shirt approached at the games I stopped, stood with my arms spread wide in a welcoming jesture, and smiled. Twice she failed to do her job. Go figure.

I said that people who encourge this behavior should be told to grow up, because the rest of us have to deal with it. Was that plan enough this time.

Frank

[davedove]

I'm going to have to say there is a time and place for everything. I think the biggest factor here is unwelcome kilt lifts, and especially unexpected ones.

If someone (of either gender) lifts your kilt, that is unwelcome and something needs to be done about it.

If, however, I am in a relaxed environment and a young lady playfully asks about what's under the kilt, that's an entirely different circumstance for me.

This sort of advance is just like any other, it depends on the circumstances. For instance, I wouldn't want just anyone walking up to me and giving me a hug either.