Jewish Scot's Heritage

[Kilted Rogue]

<< The claim to be THE official Jewish tartan is clearly spurious. >>

Just curious....

Would my Confederate Memorial Tartan kilt not be correctly named either? The CS government hasn't met since 1865.

Tongue within cheek,
steve

Well said!!!LOL

does that make the X marks tartan offical ore just chosen?

[beloitpiper]

My own preference is for neither of these, but for the Gordon tartan, the wearing of which has been used by Scots Jews for decades, if not a century or more, as an identifier of Jewishness.

Really? I've never heard of the Gordon tartan being used for Jewish identity.

[Sephy]

I'm Sephardic. I teach Hebrew at two congregations in the Santa Cruz area and also prepare kids for their bar/bat mitzvah ceremonies.

Someone had sent me a picture of this tartan and at first I thought it was a Joke. I'm wondering if it's available in PV. I would use it for next seder.

Cheers,

Sephy

[BEEDEE]

I'm Sephardic. I teach Hebrew at two congregations in the Santa Cruz area and also prepare kids for their bar/bat mitzvah ceremonies.

Someone had sent me a picture of this tartan and at first I thought it was a Joke. I'm wondering if it's available in PV. I would use it for next seder.

Cheers,

Sephy

I think it's only available in wool. The comment about wool/linen blend is a little misleading, the official site makes it clear that there are no fiber mixes, therefore making the material kashrut.

Brian

[gilmore]

<< The claim to be THE official Jewish tartan is clearly spurious. >>

Just curious....

Would my Confederate Memorial Tartan kilt not be correctly named either? The CS government hasn't met since 1865.

Tongue within cheek,
steve

The Confederate memorial tartan is a fashion tartan that doesn't claim to be anything else. This allegedly official Jewish tartan does.

[gilmore]

Really? I've never heard of the Gordon tartan being used for Jewish identity.

It was discussed at length here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/j...ghlight=jewish

and here: http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/j...ghlight=Jewish

where Arlen says

"Quote:
Originally Posted by gilmore
Do Glaswegian Jews wear the Gordon tartan more often because their surname is Gordon, or because it has become identified as a (or the) Jewish tartan? What other tartans are popular?

A bit of both, really.
I knew a few Jewish Gordons with whom I went to school and few who just wore the Gordon tartan because it was pretty much accepted as a tartan that a lot of the local Jewish boys wore.
And I can honestly say, none of the Gordons I went to school with who were not Jewish ever has a problem with it."

That thread also contains photos of Jewish Scots wearing Gordon tartan in the early to mid 20th century.

[macwilkin]

It's a fashion tartan and doesn't claim to be anything else. This allegedly official Jewish tartan does.

According to the STA's "Tartan Ferret" entry, the Confederate Memorial Tartan, which was designed by Dr. Phil Smith, is registered in one collection (Johnson) as the "Sons of Confederate Veterans". The SCV is the successor organization of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV).

Likewise, the Federal Memorial tartan is sanctioned through the Sons of Union Veterans, which is the legal successor to the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR).

Members of both organizations wear these tartans with enthusiasm, so there is at least a de facto recognition.

Regards,

Todd

[gilmore]

According to the STA's "Tartan Ferret" entry, the Confederate Memorial Tartan, which was designed by Dr. Phil Smith, is registered in one collection (Johnson) as the "Sons of Confederate Veterans". The SCV is the decendent organization of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV).

Likewise, the Federal Memorial tartan is sanctioned through the Sons of Union Veterans, which is the legal successor to the Grand Army of the Republic (GAR).

Members of both organizations wear these tartans with enthusiasm, so there is at least a de facto recognition.

Regards,

Todd

Thanks for the correction.

[Geoff Withnell]

This has come up before. The claim to be THE official Jewish tartan is clearly spurious. A tartan becomes official not by registration with the STA but by being approved by the governing authority of the body it purports to represent. This has evidently not occured here.

Additionally, another tartan of primarily blue and white is being marketed after having been selected recently in a poll by a UK Jewish newspaper.

My own preference is for neither of these, but for the Gordon tartan, the wearing of which has been used by Scots Jews for decades, if not a century or more, as an identifier of Jewishness.

There would be no way for a tartan to become THE official Jewish tartan, since there is no single organization for it to be the official tartan of.

To mis-quote Will Rodgers, I belong to no organized religion - I am a Jew.

Geoff Withnell

[Kilted Rogue]

Yes the Official part may be in Question, but
If a Rabbi has been involved with the organizing and manufacturing of a Jewish tartan, Choosing colors aligning the sett putting a years work in to the process. I take that as a bit more serious than what ppl may have or may not have been wearing due to "

Originally Posted by gilmore
A bit of both, really.
I knew a few Jewish Gordons with whom I went to school and few who just wore the Gordon tartan because it was pretty much accepted as a tartan that a lot of the local Jewish boys wore.
And I can honestly say, none of the Gordons I went to school with who were not Jewish ever has a problem with it."

I grew up in several different Jewish communities and I have never heard of a Jewish tartan or of Gordon being an accepted Jewish tartan. Maybe being raised in an orthodox Jewish synagogue tartans and men in Kilts are a bit over the bar.
Jews living in Scotland my have a different take on the issue as the are that much closer to Scotland and her heritage.