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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Kona View Post
    OK the new guy has to ask. What do you find wrong with the Diced Hose from J Higgins? I have always been very happy with John however I have not bought any hose for him.

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    Since I am a happy customer of J Higgins hose, I would have to say that the reason of such comments is somewhat 'kilt snobbery', some people insist on paying hundreds for a sock, while some others (me included) can not afford such prices.

    So, those in the 'kilted snobbery' insist on making snide comments about low priced (aka cheap) items that the rest of us can afford to buy.

    Because in all honesty, who gets on their knees to examine our hose/socks?

    I mean, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hospitaller View Post
    Since I am a happy customer of J Higgins hose, I would have to say that the reason of such comments is somewhat 'kilt snobbery', some people insist on paying hundreds for a sock, while some others (me included) can not afford such prices.

    So, those in the 'kilted snobbery' insist on making snide comments about low priced (aka cheap) items that the rest of us can afford to buy.

    Because in all honesty, who gets on their knees to examine our hose/socks?

    I mean, really.
    Todd can speak for himself, but I have a friend who purchased a pair of Argyle hose from Higgins a few years back to match his ancient Gordon kilt. He was not happy at all with the product for two main reasons:
    1. The almost day-glo coloration of the hose really did not match the kilt well at all, and was rather garish.
    2. The acrylic material the hose was made from started to pill and show signs of wear after the first wearing.

    Sometimes when people give a product a bad review, or don't recommend a particular supplier, it's not snobbery. Sometimes "inexpensive" really does mean "cheap."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hospitaller View Post
    Since I am a happy customer of J Higgins hose, I would have to say that the reason of such comments is somewhat 'kilt snobbery', some people insist on paying hundreds for a sock, while some others (me included) can not afford such prices.

    So, those in the 'kilted snobbery' insist on making snide comments about low priced (aka cheap) items that the rest of us can afford to buy.

    Because in all honesty, who gets on their knees to examine our hose/socks?

    I mean, really.
    Hector
    It is my understanding that the reason people have given in he past regarding problems with J Higgins Argyll hose, is that they tended to wear out quickly due to the material used. Now this may not be a problem, as most people do not wear Diced or Argyll hose very often. I would expect though that these hose should be able to be worn more than 3 times before wearing out, though other members have said that their hose have worn out that quickly. It is also worth noting that the low priced Argyll hose are no longer available from J. Higgins. I do not think this has anything to do with "Kilt Snobbery" in fact of late most of your posts have been the flip side of Kilt Snobbery, please do not begrudge others the right of paying more for a superior product. There simply are times when you get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McMurdo View Post
    I do not think this has anything to do with "Kilt Snobbery" in fact of late most of your posts have been the flip side of Kilt Snobbery, please do not begrudge others the right of paying more for a superior product.
    I don't Glen, quite the contrary. I've made it clear many times that were I able to pay the high prices, I would. But I can't...so I don't

    I only comment on specific posts dealing with prices and the like when snide remarks are made about the low priced items and the implication made to those of us buying those low priced products. That is all. Most moderators can afford the quality items and so it is understandable they let those topics flourish, but I would appreciate if the moderating powers could be used when snide remarks are made about the low priced items a bit more often than is currently done(which is closer to naught).

    That is all.


    There simply are times when you get what you pay for.
    Of course, and there are times when all you can afford is low priced items.

    When the fat cow season is upon us again, I will finally buy my expensive Young custom made kilt, some quality hand knitted hose, maybe a freelander sporrano masterpiece, etc.

    Until then, SWK heavyweights, second hand hose from Matt, DIY sporrans and Jackets for me. And proudly. I guess I have the same right to enjoy my kilthood in this forum as everyone else without having to feel minimized by snide remarks.

    It really amazes me how many people still don't seem to understand that we do want quality...we simply can not afford it.

    And it sucks to be 'ridiculed' or lessened by it, of all places, at XMTS, know what I mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hospitaller View Post
    ...It really amazes me how many people still don't seem to understand that we do want quality...we simply can not afford it.

    And it sucks to be 'ridiculed' or lessened by it, of all places, at XMTS, know what I mean?
    Hector,

    The issue is not people looking down on those with limited means.

    It isn't about money, it is about quality and appearance.

    If a converted kilt jacket is really well done then no one cares if it wasn't made originally as a kilt jacket.

    But some cheaper options don't work.

    What people are giving here is honest feedback about a product.

    Diced hose are for looking your very best in a formal situation.

    Matt, Todd, and Glen won't fault you for not being able to afford quality diced hose. But they will suggest that cheaper options will not last and might not look nearly as good.

    I bet all three would advise that a good pair of wool solid color hose would be a better option than cheaper acrylic diced hose.

    Or they would advocate saving for the "good stuff" as it is worth it.

    Honest feedback is not snobbery .

    They are trying to help you and others that might be asking the same question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panache
    What people are giving here is honest feedback about a product.

    Diced hose are for looking your very best in a formal situation.

    Matt, Todd, and Glen won't fault you for not being able to afford quality diced hose. But they will suggest that cheaper options will not last and might not look nearly as good.

    I bet all three would advise that a good pair of wool solid color hose would be a better option than cheaper acrylic diced hose.

    Or they would advocate saving for the "good stuff" as it is worth it.

    Honest feedback is not snobbery .
    Well said, Jamie. That is exactly the feeling behind my comments regarding my past experiences with the acrylic hose that Higgins offered.

    If others have had no problems with theirs, then bully for them! I'm glad to hear it -- I only wish my experience had been as good.

    As you say, offering a personal opinion as honest feedback is not snobbery.

    I'm sorry if Hector has taken offense to my honest feedback; there is simply no reason to do so. I will not judge him for what he buys in terms of Highland kit, but I do respect the same in return.

    Regards,

    Todd

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    I was given a pr of J. Higgins diced hose last year. They seem to be reasonable quality for the price. The colours are a good match for my kilt. So far they have been worn once, to Burns Night. They will be worn again this year, for Burns Night. So far, no signs of "pilling".

    Most of the time I wear an acrylic/wool blend solid colour kilt hose. 100% wool is just too warm for most of the year around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hospitaller View Post
    Since I am a happy customer of J Higgins hose, I would have to say that the reason of such comments is somewhat 'kilt snobbery', some people insist on paying hundreds for a sock, while some others (me included) can not afford such prices.

    So, those in the 'kilted snobbery' insist on making snide comments about low priced (aka cheap) items that the rest of us can afford to buy.

    Because in all honesty, who gets on their knees to examine our hose/socks?

    I mean, really.
    Well, I have a couple of pair of synthetic hose that look okay, but are uncomfortable b/c the hose don't have much stretch to them. My calves are not huge, only 16" in circumference. They also do not breathe like woollens, so my feet need to get out of them after just a couple of hours.

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