Glengarry's of old?

[Lachlan09]

This photo of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders at Scutari in 1854-55, during the Crimean War shows well the height and sit of their diced Glengarry at that time. Interestingly, the 79th and the 93rd were the only two regiments wearing Glengarries at that time. However, within a few years, the 93rd were wearing diced Kilmarnocks again, as seen in an 1862 photo of 93rd soldiers at Ambala, NWF, guarding tribesmen the battalion captured (echos of 21st Century ?). Presumably, the 93rd adopted diced Glengarries again in 1868, when the infantry of the British Army as a whole adopted them.

Does that mean the 79th NYSM wore red/white diced Glengarries before the 93rd re-adopted them in 1868 ?

[Lachlan09]

Did that photo upload ? I don't see it ? I tried to upload the photo from my album (which has a URL ID) using the feature in the post panel.

[macwilkin]

This photo of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders at Scutari in 1854-55, during the Crimean War shows well the height and sit of their diced Glengarry at that time. Interestingly, the 79th and the 93rd were the only two regiments wearing Glengarries at that time. However, within a few years, the 93rd were wearing diced Kilmarnocks again, as seen in an 1862 photo of 93rd soldiers at Ambala, NWF, guarding tribesmen the battalion captured (echos of 21st Century ?). Presumably, the 93rd adopted diced Glengarries again in 1868, when the infantry of the British Army as a whole adopted them.

Does that mean the 79th NYSM wore red/white diced Glengarries before the 93rd re-adopted them in 1868 ?

The 79th didn't wear the Argyll & Sutherland pattern dicing.

T.

[Lachlan09]

The 79th didn't wear the Argyll & Sutherland pattern dicing.

T.

Whoa cher, I didn't actually say they did. They wore plain blue, like the 42nd and later the HLI.

[Lachlan09]

Talking about curved or straight bottom-edged glengarries, I used to have WW1 and 2 glengarries in my collection and all were pretty much straight edged along the bottom. Likewise, a 1910-dated plain dark blue Glengarry of the Atholl Highlanders I used to own also had a straight bottom edge. Nothing like that curved Canadian WW1 glengarry in the pic above. I say "used to", I had to sell them and the rest of my pre-WW1, WW1, WW2 and modern militaria collection when I was getting married. Bad trade-off ! Maybe one of the reasons we divorced LOL ! At least I managed to negotiate keeping my Légion Étrangère collection during the split.

Regards the discussion on who invented the Glengarry, I thought it was pretty well understood that it was the creation of MacDonell of Glengarry, who was painted wearing one in a portrait by Raeburn in the late 1700’s.

[macwilkin]

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[Lachlan09]

As you know, British regiments have always been tribal with jealously guarded traditions and dress minutiae which may pass-by the casual observer. Scottish regiments are even more tribal and Highland regiments most tribal of all.

That said, do you know the special regimental traditional detail found on the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders glengarry ? (Possibly too the Calgary Highlanders, Byron Scottish etc)

[Lachlan09]

...... The answer is ........ the bottom 2 rows of dice overlapped very slightly, so if holding their glengarry horizontally and looking along the hat, you could see a "thin red line" effect.

Cunning stuff !!

[79thReproductions]

This photo of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders at Scutari in 1854-55, during the Crimean War shows well the height and sit of their diced Glengarry at that time. Interestingly, the 79th and the 93rd were the only two regiments wearing Glengarries at that time. However, within a few years, the 93rd were wearing diced Kilmarnocks again, as seen in an 1862 photo of 93rd soldiers at Ambala, NWF, guarding tribesmen the battalion captured (echos of 21st Century ?). Presumably, the 93rd adopted diced Glengarries again in 1868, when the infantry of the British Army as a whole adopted them.

Does that mean the 79th NYSM wore red/white diced Glengarries before the 93rd re-adopted them in 1868 ?

No, the 79th NY adopted those red/white glengarries in the early 1870s.