what shirt?

[Jack Daw]

Well, if you buy good shirts with removable stays (if you lose them they're easily replaceable), and own an iron and spray starch, you can leave the stays out and go with what is sometimes referred to as a "soft collared" look. Most people will never even notice you don't have the stays in and it will be more comfortable.

My shirts are starched, but the collars curl without stays as the shirt ages. I've got a nice supply of stays, but they are still annoying to fool with.

[Brian K]

My shirts are starched, but the collars curl without stays as the shirt ages. I've got a nice supply of stays, but they are still annoying to fool with.

Hmm...puzzling. My finances are tight so I have only one white dress shirt in a pinpoint oxford cloth and I've had it for years. It's a bit threadbare in spots but I wear it without stays periodically (usually not deliberately - sometimes I get dressed in too much of a hurry and sometimes I just can't find the d****d things) and I have no problem with collar curl. Maybe I'm just lucky.

[Jack Daw]

Hmm...puzzling. My finances are tight so I have only one white dress shirt in a pinpoint oxford cloth and I've had it for years. It's a bit threadbare in spots but I wear it without stays periodically (usually not deliberately - sometimes I get dressed in too much of a hurry and sometimes I just can't find the d****d things) and I have no problem with collar curl. Maybe I'm just lucky.

I wear pinpoint oxford 100% cotton shirts 4 days a week for work. I have 9 in the closet. I use light starch to avoid the fast aging of the shirt.