"Jacobite" garb

[RadioKen]

Woodsheal,

I find myself looking at the photo of you in the early uprising outfit (late 17th century) and wondering a number of things.

The first is about your bonnet. Is it a knitted bonnet? I seem to recall someone saying somewhere that the sewn bonnets came about later. Did you make it, or did you buy it somewhere? If you bought it, from where did you get it, and if you made it, can you direct me to the pattern?

The second is the doublet. Can you direct me to the pattern for that doublet, or to the person who made it for you? And, if you made it yourself, can you tell me a good source for hodden wool in the appropriate weight?

The third is your arms. What is the pattern for your sword? And is that a dirk I see on your belt? What pattern is that?

I'm building period-correct buccaneer impression from the late 1650's/early 1660's and I'm making him a Scottish immigrant to Port Royal, Jamaica. Wearing a belted plaid would probably be too much (I'm thinking probably slops or breeches instead), but other appropriate clothing of the period should be right in line.

~Ken

[Woodsheal]

Woodsheal,

I find myself looking at the photo of you in the early uprising outfit (late 17th century) and wondering a number of things.

The first is about your bonnet. Is it a knitted bonnet? I seem to recall someone saying somewhere that the sewn bonnets came about later. Did you make it, or did you buy it somewhere? If you bought it, from where did you get it, and if you made it, can you direct me to the pattern?

The second is the doublet. Can you direct me to the pattern for that doublet, or to the person who made it for you? And, if you made it yourself, can you tell me a good source for hodden wool in the appropriate weight?

The third is your arms. What is the pattern for your sword? And is that a dirk I see on your belt? What pattern is that?

I'm building period-correct buccaneer impression from the late 1650's/early 1660's and I'm making him a Scottish immigrant to Port Royal, Jamaica. Wearing a belted plaid would probably be too much (I'm thinking probably slops or breeches instead), but other appropriate clothing of the period should be right in line.

~Ken

Ken,

Knitted bonnets are correct for the period. Avoid the hideous sewn version with the seam running around the edge, which is based upon modern military tams. Lighter 'woad blue' is for common folks. Expensive imported indigo yielded the darker blues.

That doublet (a 1630s style) is long gone, and I can't remember who made it! At any rate, numerous 17th C. patterns are available here, including seamen's items:
https://www.reconstructinghistory.co...?c=22&w=24&r=Y
BTW, no belted plaid for a sailor/buccaneer! You could use a tartan plaid as a blanket, just don't wear it.

Hodden gray fabric here (look for 'mixed gray kersey' under 'broadcloth':
http://www.wmboothdraper.com/

My sword is the "cup and ring" basket hilt on this page:
http://www.armourclass.co.uk/Data/Pa...Collection.htm
It's a copy of a mid1600s original in Scotland. Don't you want a cutlass, though?

I have two custom-made dirks of pre-1700 configuration. There is no set "pattern" but early dirks had a lot less carving on the grips than later Jacobite-period examples. There are two production dirks on this page that would work for your period:
http://www.medieval-weaponry.co.uk/acatalog/dirk.html

Good luck!

[Erikm]

Here is a picture of me and my Nephew at a local festival not long ago,
we had alot of pictures taken of us and had a great time that day!

It seems any Jacobite reenactment groups,are just to far away from me.


As you can see the wind was really blowing that day, but thank god it was I did not realize just how hot an outfit like that could get

I got most of my stuff from Barkertown Sutlers, and really at a great price! The kilts and shoes we had on were just some cheap ones I found on ebay.

And the Bunnet with white cockade was hand knitted from my good friends at NA FIR DILEAS (The Loyal Men)

[figheadair]

Knitted bonnets are correct for the period. Avoid the hideous sewn version with the seam running around the edge, which is based upon modern military tams. Lighter 'woad blue' is for common folks. Expensive imported indigo yielded the darker blues.

Just come across this thread and thought I'd throw in my two-penny-worth.

Woad is a native indigotin bearing plant. It's not as strong as imported indigo pound for pound but use the right amount and you can get any shade of blue you like so it's not correct to imply that woad gave a lighter blue by default.

The Vikings apparently also managed to get red out of woad

[figheadair]

I've read modern accounts of the Royal Ecossais that state that the Grenadier Coy wore kilts. Does anyone know of an authorative source for the claim and also whether they wore the fileadh mor or feildeadh beag? If true, I'd have thought the former.

[Sir William]

I've read modern accounts of the Royal Ecossais that state that the Grenadier Coy wore kilts. Does anyone know of an authorative source for the claim and also whether they wore the fileadh mor or feildeadh beag? If true, I'd have thought the former.

All I've seen is second-hand sources, mostly speculation based on reports that Royal Ecossais officers wore kilts - whether fileadh mor or feildeadh beag was not specified. Two portraits, both post 1745, show officers with plaids, one apparently of the Drummond tartan. (I have a file on the Royal Ecossais but can't put my hands on it right now)

Several captured officers were noted as wearing short blue coats with silver lace, causing further speculation that the Royal Ecossais as a whole wore kilts.

If there is a first hand report of the Grenadier Coy, or any other Coy, wearing fileadh mor or feildeadh beag I'd love to see it.

[macwilkin]

I've read modern accounts of the Royal Ecossais that state that the Grenadier Coy wore kilts. Does anyone know of an authorative source for the claim and also whether they wore the fileadh mor or feildeadh beag? If true, I'd have thought the former.

All I've seen is second-hand sources, mostly speculation based on reports that Royal Ecossais officers wore kilts - whether fileadh mor or feildeadh beag was not specified. Two portraits, both post 1745, show officers with plaids, one apparently of the Drummond tartan. (I have a file on the Royal Ecossais but can't put my hands on it right now)

Several captured officers were noted as wearing short blue coats with silver lace, causing further speculation that the Royal Ecossais as a whole wore kilts.

If there is a first hand report of the Grenadier Coy, or any other Coy, wearing fileadh mor or feildeadh beag I'd love to see it.

I can't remember what Stuart Reid has to say about the Royal Ecossais in his book on the Jacobite Army...I'll have a look this evening and see.

T.

[Erikm]

Hi all I got a question maybe Woodsheal would know how were the Murdoch" pistols worn? I was thinking about getting one this year.

Also any good places to find one?

Thanks for any help..

[Erikm]

Ken,

Knitted bonnets are correct for the period. Avoid the hideous sewn version with the seam running around the edge, which is based upon modern military tams. Lighter 'woad blue' is for common folks. Expensive imported indigo yielded the darker blues.

That doublet (a 1630s style) is long gone, and I can't remember who made it! At any rate, numerous 17th C. patterns are available here, including seamen's items:
https://www.reconstructinghistory.co...?c=22&w=24&r=Y
BTW, no belted plaid for a sailor/buccaneer! You could use a tartan plaid as a blanket, just don't wear it.

Hodden gray fabric here (look for 'mixed gray kersey' under 'broadcloth':
http://www.wmboothdraper.com/

My sword is the "cup and ring" basket hilt on this page:
http://www.armourclass.co.uk/Data/Pa...Collection.htm
It's a copy of a mid1600s original in Scotland. Don't you want a cutlass, though?

I have two custom-made dirks of pre-1700 configuration. There is no set "pattern" but early dirks had a lot less carving on the grips than later Jacobite-period examples. There are two production dirks on this page that would work for your period:
http://www.medieval-weaponry.co.uk/acatalog/dirk.html

Good luck!

I have the Early Scottish Dirk, would this still work for the 45
period?

[Woodsheal]

Hi all I got a question maybe Woodsheal would know how were the Murdoch" pistols worn? I was thinking about getting one this year.

Also any good places to find one?

Thanks for any help..

Highlanders wore their pistols hanging off a narrow leather belt worn over the shoulder. Picture here, plus the best price on repros:

http://www.militaryheritage.com/pistol2.htm