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    Erskine, The Rules, and Four Noble Virtues

    Quote Originally Posted by CMcG View Post
    "The Highland dress is essentially a 'free' dress -- that is to say, a man's taste and circumstances must alone be permitted to decide when and where and how he should wear it... I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
    -- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
    Erskine is right, unfortunately he is inevitably mis-interpreted.

    Writing as he was at the turn of the last century Erskine (and his readers) knew exactly what to wear and when to wear it. They were also aware of the meaning of that difficult to define word "taste". And most certainly they were well aware that "circumstances", ie: wealth and social standing, dictated "taste". Erskine's message was simply this: a lack of wealth or social standing should not inhibit one from wearing Highland attire.

    That said, there is nothing in any of his writings that strays from "the rules" of what one should wear depending on the time of day, where they are, or what they are doing.

    Rules, especially as regards dress, simplify life rather than complicate it, and most gentlemen are delighted to live as simply-- and politely-- as possible. The moment "rules" become "general guide lines", the more difficult (or downright confusing) it becomes for a gentleman to know exactly what is expected of him in any given social situation. Given that the "rules"-- at least as regards the wearing of Highland attire-- are far fewer than the rules of golf, it would seem that a gentleman with even the merest modicum of intelligence would be delighted to learn them if for no other reason than he wouldn't have to give much thought to what to wear.

    Today, just as in Erskine's time, the noblest virtues are still camraderie, dependability, and unswerving loyalty. The fourth noble virtue is this: A gentleman always plays by "the rules".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Rules, especially as regards dress, simplify life rather than complicate it, and most gentlemen are delighted to live as simply-- and politely-- as possible. The moment "rules" become "general guide lines", the more difficult (or downright confusing) it becomes for a gentleman to know exactly what is expected of him in any given social situation. Given that the "rules"-- at least as regards the wearing of Highland attire-- are far fewer than the rules of golf, it would seem that a gentleman with even the merest modicum of intelligence would be delighted to learn them if for no other reason than he wouldn't have to give much thought to what to wear.
    Yes, I see. ty

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    rules vs. options

    Quote Originally Posted by davidlpope View Post
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    The enemy of creativity is not rules, the enemy of creativity is a willingness to buy the cheaply made and shoddy products that the Highland dress market is currently flooded with.
    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
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    Erskine's message was simply this: a lack of wealth or social standing should not inhibit one from wearing Highland attire.
    Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful replies. I think the topic of freedom in THCD is an important one to discuss because focusing only on rules can seem a bit rigid. It's a tradition, not a uniform, right?

    If I'm understanding correctly, there is a great amount of individualization in THCD that can occur and much of it is in the details. Between the two quotes I've picked out above, however, I'm sensing a fruitful tension.

    For men just getting started with Highland attire, there is a not insignificant investment required. This investment is often thought of in monetary terms but I'm coming to realize that time and knowledge are perhaps more important.

    One could go in to a reputable purveyor of Highland attire, spend a large chuck of money, and still come out looking like a cookie-cutter kiltie. Or go to a discount kilt shop and come away with the same look, albeit with inferior quality goods.

    In order to really dress creatively, while respecting tradition, requires knowledge of both rules and areas of freedom. It then takes time to find alternatives to the "rented kilt" look that suit one's budget. If one has the coin, they can go for bespoke items and if one is on a more limited budget then maybe second hand or DIY kit might be better.
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    - Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMcG View Post
    In order to really dress creatively, while respecting tradition, requires knowledge of both rules and areas of freedom. If one has the coin, they can go for bespoke items and if one is on a more limited budget then maybe second hand or DIY kit might be better.
    I think you have touched on something that, perhaps, explains why the Scots are more intuitive in their approach to Highland attire. It's down to the simple fact that most of us start out by wearing hand-me-downs. This practice is not limited to the socially or economically disadvantaged. For many years Prince Charles wore his grandfather's kilts. Even though he's out grown the kilts, he still wears his grandfather's sporran.

    The point I'm making is that when, as a child, one is given something to wear, one simply accepts his fate, suits up, and get's on with life. Eventually when the hand-me-downs are out grown, one tends to replace them with store bought goods of the same cut and style, simply because that is "the look" one is comfortable with. The result of this " kilted recycling" is that one learns, from day one, what to wear and how to wear it.

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    DAMN!!!! Where are the photos?

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    Help me Obiwan Kenobe

    I have tried and tried and tried to post the actual photo. I give up AGAIN and offer the link: Some people can't go to their left. I can't post photos.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/MacLowli...08267930831634

    http://picasaweb.google.com/MacLowlife/Emailed#
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Erskine's message was simply this: a lack of wealth or social standing should not inhibit one from wearing Highland attire.
    Yup...consider that for a few bucks...like ten or twenty...you can take a 40$, dubiously fit, black "pipe band" vest with square shiny buttons and have it fitted, and the buttons changed.

    That said, there is nothing in any of his writings that strays from "the rules" of what one should wear depending on the time of day, where they are, or what they are doing.
    Word. Can we call you "Teague"?

    Today, just as in Erskine's time, the noblest virtues are still camraderie, dependability, and unswerving loyalty. The fourth noble virtue is this: A gentleman always plays by "the rules".
    I thought the fourth was that a gentleman knows how to thoroughly break the rules, but usually doesn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by MacLowlife View Post
    Some people can't go to their left.
    You need an image tag, Zoolander .

    [IMG] (your image URL here) [/IMG]

    CMcG, you've seen the socks by Marlis, yes? Anyone who knits kilt socks can make something like that...the variety shown by the STM and SHO is only the stock photography...pretty sure they can do just about anything you want.

    As far as jackets and vests, again, what K-L sells is not the alpha and omega of kilt wear, nor are the standard offerings from the STM or anyone else.

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    I have an analogy that might shed some light.

    There was a great bagpipe player named Gordon Duncan. He learned the tradition inside and out and won most of the piping contests a piper could win.

    Then he started to do some things that were really creative. One of the things he did was figure out how to play the AC/DC intro riff from the song Thunderstruck. Most pipers think it's a pretty cool thing that he did.

    But, well, if I had done that, other pipers would probably make fun of me for even wanting to play AC/DC riffs on pipes. Sometimes the messenger is the more important part of the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyper View Post
    But, well, if I had done that, other pipers would probably make fun of me for even wanting to play AC/DC riffs on pipes.
    Only if it's "Long Way to the Top".

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    Plain and unadorned

    MacBug, Plain and unadorned is for the Beautiful People.

    For the rest of us, there is interesting clothing.


    My lovely date, who doesn't need the Stewart Royal tartan to make her legs look good, is a good sport who likes to "match". Her legwear came from eBay. The brand is probably Pamela Mann and can be bought in the UK, though there are also Japanese brands available.





    Purity of line is an admirable and noble concept, but now and then, some of us enjoy the clever twist. The difference between boring and elegant can be pretty small, once you get away from who is doing the describing. I realize that some tartans lean towards the subdued, especially some of the modern ones, but most are bright and colorful and vibrant. A colorful and vibrant tartan can either be complemented by quiet and dignified accompaniments or it can be set off by equally vibrant ones. On a festive occasion, why settle for just one Roman candle?
    Some take the high road and some take the low road. Who's in the gutter? MacLowlife

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