Angus County

[Hirsty]

Angus was a Mormeardom since at least the 900s BCE.

[byrdfeeder]

It was called Angus Shire before it was called Forfarshire. I found a reference that the area was called Angus Shire in 1773, but I can't tell you what it was called in the 1600s.

This information sent me down several new paths in my research. Amazing what you find when you change the search string from "Angus County" to "Angus Shire!" Thank you so much!

[figheadair]

I just read a selection about the origin of kilts: "The Invention of Tradition" by Hugh Trevor-Roper (Columbia University). Wondering if anyone else has seen this and what your thoughts are about it. Are these fightin' words?

Hugh Trevor-Roper - oh you mean he of the Hitler Diaries.

Based on what I'm reading, it seems that residents in the Angus area in the 1650s would most likely not have worn kilts; however, I've found engravings that depict men in kilt-like clothing. Does anyone have any idea about whether the kilt would have been a lowland tradition in this time frame? Would the plaids have been in use this early?

No, kilts (the feileadh beag at that date if it existed at all) and the feileadh mor (belted plaid)) was a Highland garment until the early 18th century and the visit of Goerge IV's visit to Scotland.

That's great information! How did women wear the tartan? Would it have been a dress, shawl, scarf, any of the above?

The answer depends on what timeframe, what social class the woman belonged to and where they lived, Highand or Lowland. Here's a starter for 10 - Musings on the Arisaid and other female dress.

[byrdfeeder]

Hugh Trevor-Roper - oh you mean he of the Hitler Diaries.

There may be a few people left that I haven't offended with that question. Please, be patient; I will get to you shortly. ;-) I seriously did not mean to offend, and apologize of I did.

No, kilts (the feileadh beag at that date if it existed at all) and the feileadh mor (belted plaid)) was a Highland garment until the early 18th century and the visit of Goerge IV's visit to Scotland.

The answer depends on what timeframe, what social class the woman belonged to and where they lived, Highand or Lowland. Here's a starter for 10 - Musings on the Arisaid and other female dress.

I appreciate your reply about the belted plaid, and women's attire. I especially was intrigued by the well documented article you linked. I have a lot to learn, and this information will provide hours of reading and investigation, something I will enjoy.

[byrdfeeder]

I am originally from Carnoustie and still love Angus. It is a great place to grow up and a great place to come back to.

Oh, how I envy you! I've only seen pictures, but it looks lovely. Maybe one day....

[byrdfeeder]

I am originally from Carnoustie and still love Angus. It is a great place to grow up and a great place to come back to.

My brother is planning a trip to Royal and Ancient St. Andrews in a few months. One the map, that looks very close to Monikie. Would it be a reasonable day trip? Would you cross the Firth of Tay or go around?

[AbernethyCameron]

My brother is planning a trip to Royal and Ancient St. Andrews in a few months. One the map, that looks very close to Monikie. Would it be a reasonable day trip? Would you cross the Firth of Tay or go around?

I'm lucky enough to live in Angus, just a few miles from Monikie (pronounced locally min-eek-y ) and can vouch that it's one of Scotland's nicest areas, with the mountains only about 40 minutes away from the coast, and beautiful country - definitely both Highlands and Lowlands.

To get to Monikie from St Andrews, you have to drive via Dundee - yes you do cross the Tay but by driving over the Tay Road Bridge. The alternative would be a train from Leuchars to Dundee, but a taxi out to Monikie I expect would cost c £20 - £30. It would take around 45 minutes to one hour to drive from St Andrews to Monikie. Monikie itself is a small village but is also the name of a parish - there are a number of small villages in what would have been Monikie Parish. It has a nice country park which is great for walks. Also Carnoustie is just a few miles from Monikie, and for a golfer, is worth a visit.

[byrdfeeder]

I'm lucky enough to live in Angus, just a few miles from Monikie (pronounced locally min-eek-y ) and can vouch that it's one of Scotland's nicest areas, with the mountains only about 40 minutes away from the coast, and beautiful country - definitely both Highlands and Lowlands.

To get to Monikie from St Andrews, you have to drive via Dundee - yes you do cross the Tay but by driving over the Tay Road Bridge. The alternative would be a train from Leuchars to Dundee, but a taxi out to Monikie I expect would cost c £20 - £30. It would take around 45 minutes to one hour to drive from St Andrews to Monikie. Monikie itself is a small village but is also the name of a parish - there are a number of small villages in what would have been Monikie Parish. It has a nice country park which is great for walks. Also Carnoustie is just a few miles from Monikie, and for a golfer, is worth a visit.

Thanks for this first-hand information about the Monikie area. It's good to know how to pronounce the word. I've been doing it all wrong!

[Hirsty]

My brother is planning a trip to Royal and Ancient St. Andrews in a few months. One the map, that looks very close to Monikie. Would it be a reasonable day trip? Would you cross the Firth of Tay or go around?

It is an easy drive. I personally would drive over the bridge, it would save you some time.

[byrdfeeder]

Thank you for replying with all of your helpful information. I've only seen pictures of Monikie, but it looks beautiful. Your descriptions helped me to better understand how Angus is said to have both highland and lowland areas. I especially thank you for detailed replies about traveling from St. Andrews to Monikie.

Based on what I'm reading, it seems that residents in the Angus area in the 1650s would most likely not have worn kilts; however, I've found engravings that depict men in kilt-like clothing. Does anyone have any idea about whether the kilt would have been a lowland tradition in this time frame? Would the plaids have been in use this early?