Finding a clan badge

**yoippari** · 23rd September 05, 05:29 PM

Ok, I think I get it now. Badges are not all that formal, just a sign of "I'm a (insert family name here)". I really am not sure how coat of arms got brought up with this but I don't really have any interest in a coat of arms, just knowing what badge would be the most appropriate.

St Andrew's cross would not be my first choice but getting into religion vs catholicism vs christianity. I would much rather have a simple "I'm a christian".

**macwilkin** · 23rd September 05, 06:51 PM

Ok, I think I get it now. Badges are not all that formal, just a sign of "I'm a (insert family name here)". I really am not sure how coat of arms got brought up with this but I don't really have any interest in a coat of arms, just knowing what badge would be the most appropriate.

In order to understand the symbolism behind a clansman's badge in Scottish heraldy, it is necessary to discuss coats-of-arms and the peculiars of Scottish heraldry.

St Andrew's cross would not be my first choice but getting into religion vs catholicism vs christianity. I would much rather have a simple "I'm a christian".

The St. Andrew's Cross is the national symbol of Scotland, and a "non-denominational" one as well -- as I said in my earlier post, it is found on the national flag, and is worn by many as a sign of their Scottish heritage, regardless of denomination.

Apologies for the confusion. It was not my intention to offend.

T.

**yoippari** · 24th September 05, 04:13 PM

I'm pretty hard to offend. You havn'e come close.

I'm slowly taking this all in, badges, crests, heraldry, a lot of it is completely new to me. So the St. Andrew's Cross badge is basicly a "I'm Scottish" badge?

**macwilkin** · 24th September 05, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by yoippari

I'm pretty hard to offend. You havn'e come close.

I'm slowly taking this all in, badges, crests, heraldry, a lot of it is completely new to me. So the St. Andrew's Cross badge is basicly a "I'm Scottish" badge?

You've got it. Scottish soldiers have worn the St. Andrew's Cross in one form or another on their tunics for centuries. Here is an article I wrote for Scottish History Online with the story of the Saltire:

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/...e/saltire.html

And another good article:

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/Scotland/saltire.html

A Thistle is also appropriate, since the Thistle is another national symbol of Scotland -- legend says that a thistle saved a group of Scots from marauding Vikings when one of the Norsemen planted his big foot on the thistle, causing him to screm and awaken the sleeping Scottish forces.

You might want to take a look at one of the Xmarks kilt pins -- Bob C. is using it as a cap badge on his bonnet, and it looks good -- it is a Saltire on a Celtic knot wreath, very nice.

Cheers,

Todd

celticstudio · 13th October 08, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

There may not be one. Since Gibson is a surname associated with these larger clans, and is not a full-fledged clan per se without a Chief, there may be no arms that exsist for that Chief of the name, and thereby, no crest (the crest of the Chief's arms is the device that is in the center of the clansman's badge, whilst the "buckle-and-strap" with the motto or slogan denote that the wearer is showing his loyalty to the Chief and clan.) To be quite honest, I've never seen one before, but who knows?

Even if there is a badge, reproducing it could be fairly expensive. And there is nothing wrong with wearing the badge of one of these other clans -- the Buchanans have no Chief at present, I'm not sure about the MacDuffs -- of course, the Campbells have MacCailein Mor, The Chief of the Campbells and the Duke of Argyll.

I hope I haven't confused you with my reply -- Matt, do you have a copy of Mike McLaren's book floating around there?

Cheers,

Todd

Hi
Gibson is not in McLaren;s book but I have a full colour picture of the crest. The crest is listed in "Scottish Clan & Family Encyclopedia" Page 395
A pelican vulving Proper.
I know wherre you can get both the badge and the kilt pin.
Contact me
Louis

celticstudio · 13th October 08, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by yoippari

As I have said before my most direct scottish link is my moms family with the name Gibson (Gibbs). I know they were a sept of Buchanan, Campbell, and McDuff at different times. The thing is that I don't want a Buchanan, Campbell, or McDuff clan badge I want a Gibson one. Where do I go to find a slightly obscure clan badge?

I can help you here. Gibson is listed as a Perlican vulving Proper and I know a source for both a badge and a kilt pin.
Contact me.
Louis

**Highland Logan** · 13th October 08, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by celticstudio

I can help you here. Gibson is listed as a Perlican vulving Proper and I know a source for both a badge and a kilt pin.
Contact me.
Louis

If you checked how old this post was and the person asking the question you'd have noticed it started in 2005 and the person who started it, yoippari hasen't posted sience 09-17-2006. I don't think you'll get a reply other than mine, unless someone else points out the same.

Frank

**MacMillan of Rathdown** · 13th October 08, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

If you checked how old this post was and the person asking the question you'd have noticed it started in 2005 and the person who started it, yoippari hasen't posted sience 09-17-2006. I don't think you'll get a reply other than mine, unless someone else points out the same.

Frank

Perhaps the Moderators should consider locking down all threads which have been inactive for more than a year?

**Tattoo Bradley** · 13th October 08, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown

Perhaps the Moderators should consider locking down all threads which have been inactive for more than a year?

That's not always feasable as some topics aren't necessarily bound by time. But, I must agree this one's a candidate for lock down, as Logan's pointed out, the OP has been inactive for two years.

Thread closed.