Highlanders v. Lowlanders

[puffer]

One has to wonder if the "lowland" scots in Aberdeen and that area north of Perth wore what the rest of the lowlanders were wearing or if they wore what the highlanders were wearing? This is something I have often wondered about. If anyone could shead some light on this I'd appriciate it. The information out there appears to be very general when speaking of lowand dress and makes the assuption that all of the lowlands dressed the same. This, to me, sounds as ignorant as saying everyone in Scotland dressed the same. (the time period I'm particularly interested in for the area of Aberdeen is about the 1590's)

I know the Keiths (my ancestors) resettled to this are from the upper highlands several centuries prior to the 16th century.

IMHO, the style clothing worn would be dictated by the individual,s position in society & what was being worn locally by his peers.
I believe you are correct in your "assumption" is correct. It would be the same as "assuming" that the attire of an American living in the 1800s in TAOS, would be the same as his contemporary living in the PNW region.

Puffer

[Phogfan86]

Rex, you're supposed to be answering questions around here, not asking them!

[Rex_Tremende]

When I looked up the Kerr Shepherd's Plaid on the Scottish Register of Tartans, they had this to say about it:

Designed for the Chief of Clan Kerr the Marquis of Lothian KCVO of Ferniehurst Castle, Jedburgh Scotland. The Clan Kerr (Family) are amongst the few leading Border names. They are entitled to a Border Plaid that makes their standing in the Borders distinctive.

Now what makes one clan entitled to a plaid over another? And what exactly is a border plaid, and why is it different than (I guess) a tartan?

Regards,
Rex.

[Kerr the Walker]

When I looked up the Kerr Shepherd's Plaid on the Scottish Register of Tartans, they had this to say about it:



Now what makes one clan entitled to a plaid over another? And what exactly is a border plaid, and why is it different than (I guess) a tartan?

Regards,
Rex.

As luck would have it, I've just received a kilt in Kerr Shepherd. After a bit of reading/research, the Border Plaid (aka: Northumbrian plaid, shepherd plaid) is a black and white "check".


(Kerr Shepherd is the border plaid with an additional bit of red running through it)

Haven't figured out why this particular design is associated specifically with the Borders though....

[O'Callaghan]

When I looked up the Kerr Shepherd's Plaid on the Scottish Register of Tartans, they had this to say about it:



Now what makes one clan entitled to a plaid over another? And what exactly is a border plaid, and why is it different than (I guess) a tartan?

Regards,
Rex.

A sheperd's plaid is a small check, usually only two colours, rather than a large multi-colour sett. Perhaps they just mean it looks distinctive? Such a pattern was historically worn just over the border on the English side also, although not necessarily in the form of a kilt.

[Andy HPADC]

Another awesome, funny thread!

Does anyone know when Trews were introduced?

[The Barry]

Puffer, you're a Douglas?

[puffer]

Puffer, you're a Douglas?

That Sir is a good ?? There are MANY who say that I can lay claim, to being a "Douglas", & others who say no. Here is a "thumbnail".

1.In ca 1620 John Hayden, a SCION of one of the "branches" of "The Haydens"-English, notified His "Family" that he was marrying a Scots Lass.They said NO WAY. If you do, we will "disinherit you!! WHY ?? Apparently she was not only a DOUGLAS, but, a "BLACK DOUGLAS"

2. Despite this, they married,, boarded as ship & came to Amer. in 1622.

3. Was he "disinherited" ?? Yes, but they & their prodigy ( my Mother's side ) "landed on their feet" According to "Family History" ( my Grandmother, who was the "last of "this" Hayden line & family historian) "Mary Douglas" (called respectively "the BLACK DOUGLAS" was the Matriarch.

4.As you can observe, my "ties" to the "Douglas clan" is through the "FEMALE" & obviously "watered down after almost 400 years.

5. My personal position = I honor & I am Proud of my "ties" with the "Black Douglas" & I have "claimed" the "modern Tartan of a "BLACK DOUGLAS"



Puffer.

[Rob Wright]

Puffer, my Douglas connection is through my grandmother, Joyce (Douglas) Wright. Her line of Douglas' were from around Lanark and Douglas Dale (Black Douglas territory) and came over in the early 1700's.

Nothing wrong with a connection on the female side, at least you know who the mother's are! and their connections!

A cousin is a cousin is a cousin.

Rob

[puffer]

Puffer, my Douglas connection is through my grandmother, Joyce (Douglas) Wright. Her line of Douglas' were from around Lanark and Douglas Dale (Black Douglas territory) and came over in the early 1700's.

Nothing wrong with a connection on the female side, at least you know who the mother's are! and their connections!

A cousin is a cousin is a cousin.

Rob

PUFFER