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7th November 11, 04:21 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
You are kind of a snooty one...
 Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR
It looks nothing like your doublet, actually. The one in the painting has lapels.
Scotchmaster
ALBA GU BRATH!
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7th November 11, 04:33 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
 Originally Posted by scotchmaster
You are kind of a snooty one...
Well, I call it like I see it.
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7th November 11, 06:55 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
Last edited by SlackerDrummer; 7th November 11 at 06:58 PM.
Reason: Tactless comment
Kenneth Mansfield
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7th November 11, 07:26 PM
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this style coatee?
It seems to me, more so than ever, that there is a continuum of jacket styles, perhaps not a straight line, but one with the occasional branch, (but still a range) from double breasted to single breasted and closed to single breasted and open fronted, and even to double breasted yet open fronted. Collars can be high, low, folded, or omitted entirely. So can lapels. Cuffs and tashes, buttons and buttonholes, all come and go. Some jackets can be worn more than one way- and we occasionally see pictures, especially on eBay, of jackets that are worn the wrong way.
Those in the business of selling jackets will have names for them. This helps to sell them. Those in the business of MAKING them may be less concerned about what a jacket-doublet-coatee-tunic is called and more about what the buyer wants it to look like and how it fits. And those who can have a jacket made need not worry about what to call it, other than their own.
I think we have established that someone can make this jacket and that others have similar ones, but also that its exact duplicate has not become common enough to merit a name. We have seen some interesting jackets and learned some interesting history along the way.
I hope the OP has the answer he was seeking.
Some take the high road and some take the low road. Who's in the gutter? MacLowlife
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8th November 11, 10:39 AM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
 Originally Posted by scotchmaster
You are kind of a snooty one...
Not a very fair statement to make, mate. If you knew Sandy, as I and several others on XMTS know him, you would come to find that there is nothing 'snooty' about him. On the contrary, it is in my best judgment that there is much to learn from Sandy, as he comes from a distinctive West Highland family, rich in tradition and West Highland culture, thus, really making him a wealth of knowledge in regards to all things Highland - including dress.
Cheers,
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7th November 11, 05:55 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
I agree that what we are seeing are lapels, not simply the inside facing of the coat turned back. The buttons are clearly ornamental, as the jacket would be much too small to be fastened, especially at the bottom. The buttons do seem to be consistent down his right side, on the lapel as well as below it.
Also, I do not think this is a doublet, since there is no indication of a collar at all. We would see it if it had one. What I see, though, is a lapel that is not connected to anything, and it seems to just be flat around the neck, with his shirt collar being the only thing showing.
The length of this jacket also seems a lot shorter than most, which I really like.
Oh, and the epaulets come well past the shoulder seams, which is very different than most civilian versions. On his right shoulder, are we seeing the glare off of some sort of decoration on the epaulet?
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7th November 11, 06:40 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
 Originally Posted by Tobus
Also, I do not think this is a doublet, since there is no indication of a collar at all. We would see it if it had one. What I see, though, is a lapel that is not connected to anything, and it seems to just be flat around the neck, with his shirt collar being the only thing showing.
When you say this isn't a doublet because of the lack of collar, you are using a modern interpretation of the word "doublet". Most modern retailers use the word doublet to describe a coat that closes in the front and has a high collar. That wasn't always the case and to this day there are still people who use the word-- especially when referring to an evening coat-- without being too specific.
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7th November 11, 06:49 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
Yeah, lack of a real definition doesn't help. But referring to the photos in this thread where others have compared this jacket to doublets that have collars and are meant to close (if even only at the top), this jacket just doesn't seem to be in the same category. I always see doublets in the Highland style having a rather military look to them, but this one looks more like a classic Highland civilian jacket... but with no visible collar and the interesting lapel style, amongst other unique parts.
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7th November 11, 07:15 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
I think this may help clarify a bit, below is a definition of Highland Doublet from wikipedia:
Doublet is also a term describing a type of jacket worn with formal highland dress. This garment is similar to a mess jacket, with buttoned gauntlet cuffs, short or no skirts, and with or without lapels. It may have a row of silver heraldic buttons on each side. It may be worn with a lace jabot and cuff set, and a high-buttoned waistcoat. It is typically made of velvet or wool, with satin lapels, and may feature epaulettes. The highland doublet is jacobean in style and may date to that period or earlier.
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7th November 11, 08:08 PM
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Re: Does anyone make this style coatee?
Is it possible that the jacket is similar to a double-breasted jacket? It is possible to imagine a jacket where the right lapel (the one with the buttons) actually has working button holes. In colder weather, you could undo the right lapel, tuck it under the left lapel, and button the left lapel on the buttons you could see. When not that cold, the buttons could keep the right lapel from flapping about. Not really up on the history of doublets, but I was looking for a practical use of the buttons, or a least where the idea of the buttons on that side came from.
Last edited by KiltedSurveyor; 7th November 11 at 08:10 PM.
Reason: adding comment
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