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31st October 10, 10:57 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Of course, Republicans (Irish nationalists, not the GOP) adopted the kilt more than a century ago, which IMHO gainsays all the 'no historical basis' folk, i.e. it's their basis for saying that which is actually a bit lacking. I'd say there's no basis atall for saying that the events of the 19th century aren't old enough to be history in the 21st.
I have had debates about Irish historical kilt wear, I have to say though that the Royal family whom are English have been wearing kilts and other Scottish attire in Scotland (more notably balmoral) since the early 19th century, yet you could not say that this constitutes England having a history of kilt wearing. The same goes for English officers in the Scottish regiment.
A handful of Irish naitonalists wearing kilts is just that, a small handful of people and does not constitute (in my opinion) a historical legacy of kilt wearing.
Last edited by JockInSkye; 31st October 10 at 11:03 AM.
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1st November 10, 09:33 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by JockInSkye
I have had debates about Irish historical kilt wear, I have to say though that the Royal family whom are English have been wearing kilts and other Scottish attire in Scotland (more notably balmoral) since the early 19th century, yet you could not say that this constitutes England having a history of kilt wearing. The same goes for English officers in the Scottish regiment.
A handful of Irish naitonalists wearing kilts is just that, a small handful of people and does not constitute (in my opinion) a historical legacy of kilt wearing.
I think if you took a look at our Royal family's pedigree you would find it hard to describe them as English.Which is useful for them as Her Majesty is also the Queen of Scotland, amongst other places.
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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1st November 10, 04:05 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by JockInSkye
I have had debates about Irish historical kilt wear, I have to say though that the Royal family whom are English have been wearing kilts and other Scottish attire in Scotland (more notably balmoral) since the early 19th century, yet you could not say that this constitutes England having a history of kilt wearing. The same goes for English officers in the Scottish regiment.
A handful of Irish naitonalists wearing kilts is just that, a small handful of people and does not constitute (in my opinion) a historical legacy of kilt wearing.
So, how many people have to do something before you think it's part of history? Many of the most important historical events revolved around the actions of just one person. It's hard to take your argument seriously.
Besides, the pipers in the Irish regiments of the British Army also wore kilts dating back to the 19th century.
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25th October 10, 05:19 AM
#4
i always love a history lesson
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25th October 10, 02:00 PM
#5
I never mind being asked if I'm Irish when I wear my kilts. Mainly because I am Irish.
Funniest instance was when I was wearing a shirt with the flag of Ireland on the front and was asked if I was Canadian.
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27th October 10, 10:27 AM
#6
That's odd, because every time I see Zardoz in a kilt (which is all the time) I ask him if he's Scottish.
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27th October 10, 01:51 PM
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[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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28th October 10, 06:29 AM
#8
I have a customer that asks me if I'm Welsh. He said that he has a friend that is Welsh and wears a kilt.
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28th October 10, 07:41 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by Red Stag
I have a customer that asks me if I'm Welsh. He said that he has a friend that is Welsh and wears a kilt.
I've been asked as often if I'm Irish as Scottish. (Though Ive both in my ancestry, I'm neither.)
As for Welsh. . ."Welsh tartans" seem to have become popular, and it appears to me that the wool tartan kilt is rapidly becoming, or has become, not just a iconically Scottish garment but a much broader symbolic expression of "Celtitude".
"It's all the same to me, war or peace,
I'm killed in the war or hung during peace."
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28th October 10, 07:51 AM
#10
 Originally Posted by Dale Seago
As for Welsh. . ."Welsh tartans" seem to have become popular, and it appears to me that the wool tartan kilt is rapidly becoming, or has become, not just a iconically Scottish garment but a much broader symbolic expression of "Celtitude".
That is certainly true given the Welsh, Irish, Cornish, Manx and Breton tartans that are now in circulation.
Welsh does not actually have a word for "tartan" so a Welsh one is called Brithwe which means "weave."
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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