Jabots

[artificer]

Ivory has a slighty (yellowish-beige) butter-creme tone to it, depending on just whose interpretation of ivory is used.

White is WHITE.

Don't ever ask a designer or colourist about the billion shades of white-ivory-egg shell-etc. You'll be there for TWO eternities.

You have been warned.

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[Bugbear]

I'm sorry, I meant to ask the difference between cream and ivory.
I had brought up the discussion of cream colored silk jabots, but it was, perhaps, ivory rather than cream. Sorry about that.

[artificer]

No worries, there is a LOT of overlap between what people call creme and ivory. REAL Ivory can be anything from bone (white with a slight beige cast) through actual beige or a very yellowish, almost parchment-like colour. Usually the colour is described as white with a very light, slighly beige-yellow cast to it.

Creme would be a little warmer, with a bit more yellow but none of the beige.

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[Downunder Kilt]

Someone mentioned Chas' jabot earlier and I think it is a good example of how one could wear one with a PC. Notice his high cut waistcoat? The fly plaid and horsehair sporran help to make this outfit THAT dressed up, even without a doublet:

That's the one CMcG, thanks for putting it up. As I said in my original post I think it works well with the high cut vest and PC

[Bugbear]

Thanks for explaining that, artificer.

[creagdhubh]

I think Chas looks very smart indeed, yet without attempting to be overly critical, I must say that I dislike seeing a waistcoat worn with a coatee, or perhaps some sort of mess jacket, fall far beneath the bottom part of the coatee itself. It just doesn't look right to my eye.

Rather, I like for my evening waistcoat to be at least 1-2 inches above the very bottom of the coatee, or short-cut jacket and the absolute longest I'd go is for the very bottom part of the waistcoat to be level with the very bottom part of the coatee, but even that looks wee bit odd to my eye. See below for visual examples of what I prefer - and this is my own opinion of course and not a personal affront on Chas in any way - consider it 'constructive' criticism!




Photos courtesy of Kinloch-Anderson.

Cheers,

[OC Richard]

I am not very fond of the lace jabots. Its just not my style but Just Two Tailors makes one that in more fabric and less lace. I really like this one.

Yes indeed that's probably the first jabot that I've liked! Very nice.

I still don't care for jabots in general, not with the closed-collar Montrose/Kenmore jackets, not with PCs, not with anything. If I wanted to look like an 18th century person I would wear 18th century style clothes (and have done).

[Bugbear]

Yes indeed that's probably the first jabot that I've liked! Very nice.

I still don't care for jabots in general, not with the closed-collar Montrose/Kenmore jackets, not with PCs, not with anything. If I wanted to look like an 18th century person I would wear 18th century style clothes (and have done).

Perhaps that is my problem. There are things that seem appealing to my mind that could, perhaps, be brought forward to contemporary dress, but that are actually out of place to the eyes of all others; something I need to work much more on in my thinking. Having grown up seeing paintings of George Washington wearing his jabot doesn't help any, either.
Hard to find one's place here.

Good luck, MacLowlife, and hope you come up with a dark-red doublet to go with your jabot.

[OC Richard]

Hey I just came across this photo. I don't know the date, but it looks rather old, and is probably the oldest image I have of anybody wearing a jabot. (The modern jabot I mean, the seperate thingy, not the original 18th century shirt ruffle.)

[creagdhubh]

Those are some massive buckles on his brogues! I love these old photos - especially when showing a champion piper or perhaps a 'Champion of Scotland' (athlectics) with their numerous medals and awards pinned to their doublet - very cool!

Thanks Richard,